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October 2002 Google Update
Official
liamgt




msg:42874
 10:03 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Definately getting different results on backward links for yahoo. www showing 657k and www2 and www3 showing 654k. Results for CNN are also different. Looks like the real deal.

Liam

[edited by: liamgt at 10:06 am (utc) on Oct. 31, 2002]

 

rfgdxm1




msg:42934
 11:04 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

I see no site in your profile, djgreg.

rfgdxm1




msg:42935
 11:07 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

podawg, I you sure they just aren't low ranked, but in the index?

djgreg




msg:42936
 11:10 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

;)
Maybe it's because there are no adult sites allowed in the Profile and one of the Admins deleted it one seconf before you looked into my profile.
AM I allowed to post the URL here?

lazerzubb




msg:42937
 11:10 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

>>AM I allowed to post the URL here? = NO, (TOS)

podawg




msg:42938
 11:11 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Pretty sure, I used allinurl:mydomain.com to look.
I show only one page on all three servers

rfgdxm1




msg:42939
 11:11 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

>Does anyone know how you can get to see the new directory?

Google updates the directory on a different schedule. I am an ODP editor. The ODP is way late in the latest RDF dump. So it might be a while.

Andrew Thomas




msg:42940
 11:12 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

rfgdxm1 - djgreg url probably removed it was a porn site :(

djgreg




msg:42941
 11:12 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

PUH , then it is a little bit difficult to talk about my problem cause nobody is able to take a look at my site...
By the way: this is not a real porn site. It is a search engine for adult websites.

[edited by: djgreg at 11:13 am (utc) on Oct. 31, 2002]

JonnyWales




msg:42942
 11:12 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

"You should never, ever under any circumstances be that invested in just one search result."

Brett, what you say is obviously right BUT my site is trying to sell a niche software product. Anyone wanting it uses the 2-word phrase; others may find it using other words but the serious purchasers know what they are looking for and it is this one phrase 95% of the time.

Looks like Google is concentrating (didn't it always)on large information-heavy sites and relegating small focused sites such as mine.

Most advice I see on WW seems to be for large operations able to have 100's of links and 1000's of pages. That is never going to happen with mine or many other sites ... way of the world I suppose.

[edited by: JonnyWales at 11:13 am (utc) on Oct. 31, 2002]

percentages




msg:42943
 11:12 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

podawg,

I have a "squeeky clean" PR 7 site that is not showing on the www3 as indexed...."Don't Panic"....this is way to early in the dance to be looking for a bridge to jump off.

It will all come out smelling of roses in a day or three!

Have another Vodka ;)

PFOnline




msg:42944
 11:14 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

So, what are some other good things to test out, on how our site looks so far in the update, besides checking backlinks and positioning... anything? anyone know? I'd like to know if my PageRank jumped if anyone knows how to check this!

On a different note, how'd webmasterworld.com itself do? :) You guys happy? Hope things went well for this site... This site has so much incredibly valuable information, and not to mention probly the only forum in the world where people are talking about the google update right now! This site knew of the update within minutes, (maybe seconds!) hehe :)

jamsy




msg:42945
 11:14 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Laz

I have your FAQ - very intuitive but one question i wouldlike clarification please

Any backlinks currently shown on www2 and 3 can these be increased during the dance?

thanks

vitaplease




msg:42946
 11:15 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

From what I can see in this update, there seem to be no dramatic changes.

That is nothing as special as last update.

No reversal, or "weakening" of the effects/changes we saw in the last update.

Anyone agree or see other effects?

djgreg




msg:42947
 11:17 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

I agree absoultely with you. No dramatic changes in algo so far.

Andrew Thomas




msg:42948
 11:17 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

I cant see any changes at all to my site - positions are the same - pr is the same, and i optimized it and got rid of all js code to help spider it more :(

klickman




msg:42949
 11:18 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hope everyone has seen EXCELLENT results like I have for my site:

Jumped from #10 to #1 & #2 for all of my major keywords. Been working on my site for the past month.

The question that I have is should I be concerned about competitors copying my codes? I don't want to loose any SERP at all. Or should I just continue focusing on improving my site, link partners etc and more vital content etc. It seems that I was able to beat the other site despite them having 2,000+ links to them.

I don't know what I have done specifically just good SEO techniques.

Any comments or suggestions.

podawg




msg:42950
 11:19 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

a day or three of vodka?
My wife did want me to take up a new hobby to get me away from update watching.

djgreg




msg:42951
 11:21 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

There are changes to my sites. Not all positive (as I mentioned above ;) ) ( hope you are not mad about me cause of the adult site)
but some sites have moved to Numer 1 sites.
By the way: All sites with pretty much and good content.
Maybe Google pays more attention to this factor as we thought.

djgreg




msg:42952
 11:22 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

;) Sometimes I am happy that I have no wife.

podawg




msg:42953
 11:23 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

sometimes I am happy I have a wife ;)

oh lord she's gonna kill me

Monkscuba




msg:42954
 11:24 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

What Klickman says also worries me. Our site was nowhere until July, and now after several months of work and reading WebmasterWorld, we have very good rankings. I'm sure some of our bigger and longer established competitors will have noticed. Many have WAY more links than us, and if they copied some of our titles and text, I'm sure they could jump above us. With Google being so text based, it's not too hard to jump up quickly. In the country we're based, the legal issue would not be the same as in the US or Europe. Probably nothing we could do.

Anyway, let's enjoy it while we can!

rfgdxm1




msg:42955
 11:24 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

>Brett, what you say is obviously right BUT my site is trying to sell a niche software product. Anyone wanting it uses the 2-word phrase; others may find it using other words but the serious purchasers know what they are looking for and it is this one phrase 95% of the time.

Brett, he's right. Your advice is only good for a site that would be about a lot of different things (or, products), and thus you'd want to be succeeding in for a lot of search words/phrases. My 2 little sites are the same. There are just a few keywords that I HAVE to hit on. Odds are my target audience will use them in a search. If you a targeting a niche audience, you have to hit on the keywords that you know they are going to use.

mat




msg:42956
 11:25 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Concur that nothing drastic has changed. Seeing some 'new entries' on page one SERP's in my area that do not have DMOZ entries, so that factor may have been downplayed slightly from last month.

Mat

percentages




msg:42957
 11:26 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

My wife just got out of bed and jumped in the shower...snarling on the way that I had consumed all her rum while waiting for the Google update ;)

Dang not my fault I ran out of Scotch 3 days ago while waiting for this event :)

Guess I can go to bed now....happy that I can see the true outcome in a few days time ;)

Monkscuba




msg:42958
 11:26 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

I'm very happy to have a wife, but sometimes she gets a bit bored with me talking about "web, google, website, update blah blah" instead of about my real work or about the future.

Suppose this forum is a place to get all your web worries off your chest, so you can go home and forget about it.

rfgdxm1




msg:42959
 11:29 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

>The question that I have is should I be concerned about competitors copying my codes? I don't want to loose any SERP at all.

Hell, yes. If they consider their Google SERPs important, they definitely should be trying to copy what you did.

uksports




msg:42960
 11:30 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Not getting excited yet - www2 is showing cached pages from around the end of August but I know they have all been crawled since then as they have been in serps since then - made lots of changes resulting from last update which I hope will show up in a while - if only to see that I got it all wrong.....

Monkscuba




msg:42961
 11:34 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

In a way I think we all copy our competitors if we see them doing well. Many times I have followed competitors round the web and tried to get all the same links as them. And will continue to do so!

creative craig




msg:42962
 11:37 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

I aint gonna get all excited now, for one the boss will go mad and two after the last couple of updates, it never gives a good picture of what is realy going on. I'll do some deep checking later tonight.

Craig

Brett_Tabke




msg:42963
 11:48 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

If a keyword is that hot, then it is bound to be competitive. Leave that keyword for the 90% of the sites to fight over and go dominate the 10% they don't worry about either. You can't survive on one search for long - especially if it is a high roi phrase.

For example: look at how hot "data recovery" is on some of the engines. They go to war over that phrase. You know there are 50 other phrases used around that? Leave the top words to the suckers paying $50 a click, and go rule the roost on those 50 others.

Alby




msg:42964
 11:51 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Any conlcusions what has changed?

I have jumped for my main pages that have good external links, but the inside pages with links only from my own site has dropped.

Is the conclusion that you now need external links to every page you want to rank well for?

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