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movement between www and www3
and the kids they dance and shake their bones
dogboy




msg:216849
 3:28 pm on Oct 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

just saw the first changes b/t databases

[edited by: dogboy at 4:03 pm (utc) on Oct. 30, 2002]

 

julinho




msg:216939
 9:07 pm on Oct 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

Googleguy:
>>>I still think that sunshine and stepping away from the computer is the healthiest thing to do.

I think I am stepping away from the computer right now.
Hey folks, what if EVERYBODY walk away from the computer?
Have you heard, Googleguy? EVERYBODY is going to walk away from the computer. NOBODY is going to notice if you push the update button...

Bye... bye... bye... ;) ;)

bateman_ap




msg:216940
 9:07 pm on Oct 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

I've realised there are other forums here after running away form the google forum :)

atadams




msg:216941
 9:08 pm on Oct 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

How much experience does it take to go here:

[webmasterworld.com...]

and tell if the numbers match?

quotations




msg:216942
 9:14 pm on Oct 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

But if you go here:

[webmasterworld.com...]

you get to see different numbers.

243,000

dogboy




msg:216943
 9:31 pm on Oct 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

eeheheh... ok ok...

first things first... I was talking about the Dead, not the Stones:)

second, this post may have been poorly titled but, no where did I say 'update'.... maybe I should have said 'difference between', instead of 'movement'... because this morning, there were actual different SERP results in rankings in the terms I was looking at... meaning #6 on www, was now #4 on www3... you get me? I was also seeing not only a difference in rankings, but a difference in the number of results returned AND a difference in backlinks to other sites (though the only thing I saw on the link:www.yahoo.com was it switching from 657k to broken) ...so I'm not drunk, and I'm not an idiot, and after 5+ years doing this full time, I wouldn't have posted anything had I not seen a most definite change in SERPs... as far as 500 posts goes, that doesn't mean anything, other than you post a lot ....but just because you don't see a change right now doesn't mean I didn't see one this morning.

ciml




msg:216944
 9:41 pm on Oct 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

I got the broken backlink search on two datacentres for a moment too.

You're certainly no idiot, dogboy. Whether you write update, movement or difference between, a hundred post thread is pretty inevitable at this stage in the cycle. Some of us are intoxicated, but not by alcohol:).

The temporary change to zero backlinks was Google News, but I think it's about time for us all to go back to our non Google-watching lives for a while until it happens.

We have a saying here in the UK (maybe elsewhere too). A watched kettle doesn't boil.

mykel




msg:216945
 9:41 pm on Oct 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

dogboy:
Aa...well, you see there is a song by the Stones called "Not fade away", maybe it's a remake, I don't know. And since I'm a Stones fan, I thought you meant that :)

RuglesHome




msg:216946
 9:46 pm on Oct 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

Same song.....actually written by Buddy Holly.
Wow I am off topic now.

Come on GG ... now we are playing Name That Tune. Hit the button so we can start with our complaining about your SERP's.

onionrep




msg:216947
 9:53 pm on Oct 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

<form name="please" action="end_the_agony" method="erm..push_the_button">

<input type="button" name="googleguy" value="update_da_frickin_db">

</form>

fathom




msg:216948
 10:03 pm on Oct 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

Googleguy said: I still think that sunshine and stepping away from the computer is the healthiest thing to do.

My wife said this once a few years back!

Shortly thereafter she became the Ex!

You're right Googleguy, it was healthy! :)

dogboy




msg:216949
 10:10 pm on Oct 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

If you go away from the Yahoo stuff and search around, I'm still seeing different results....

'churches' brought up 4,680,000 on www and www2, but 4,620,000 on www3

found others too... including different numbers between all three wwws... see if you see any

dogboy




msg:216950
 10:15 pm on Oct 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

'pencil' 1,900,000 on www/www2 and 1,890,000 on www3

'newbie' 2,270,000 on www/www3 and 2,260,000 on www2

'500 posts' 953,000 on www/www2 and 941,000 on www3

Chef_Brian




msg:216951
 10:16 pm on Oct 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

Dogboy ...

"searching" will not help you to detect the update once it starts. Instead check the "back links" from any big site like:

yahoo
cnn
google

once you see different link numbers for the diff google servers then you will know the update has begun.

Google does update right? JK ....

Chef Brian

RuglesHome




msg:216952
 10:20 pm on Oct 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

Dogboy my Deadhead buddy

My sites are the same. Nothing different for me yet.

Nick_W




msg:216953
 10:25 pm on Oct 30, 2002 (gmt 0)


Dogboy ...

"searching" will not help you to detect the update once it starts. Instead check the "back links" from any big site like

Another UK saying: "Don't teach your grandmother to suck eggs" ;)

Check his previous post Brian ;)

Nick

dogboy




msg:216954
 10:30 pm on Oct 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

well, as far as I'm concerned, the 'update' doesn't start to happen until the results which were on www change to something other than what they were for the previous month....

But I am not watching the update.... I am watching www2 and www3 change from what they were, to something new. For some time now www, www2 and www3 were exactly the same. Today they are not. Depending on what you search for, not only the number of results have changed, but the actual rankings on the Serps have changed was well... if backlinks make you happy, great. For me, I start watching when my sites move position.

As far as I can tell, it goes: # of results change -> SERP ranks change -> backlinks update-> move to www -> revert back and forth a couple times -> settle -> a little everflux -> www,www2,www3 match up -> wait a few weeks -> repeat ->

...so if you wait until the big site's backlinks are updated, then you know that things are pretty much done. My very first post simply said: "just saw the first changes b/t databases" ...didn't say I saw an update... just a difference between databases

[edited by: dogboy at 10:46 pm (utc) on Oct. 30, 2002]

duckhunter




msg:216955
 10:34 pm on Oct 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

I agree. Also, it's impossible to update/re-index/dance everything at once so some keywords notice movement before others one would think.

shewhoguards




msg:216956
 12:37 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Mommy, is Santa here yet? If I go to sleep will he have been when I wake up?

(Has anyone here noticed that we've never seen GG and Santa Claus in the same place at the same time?))

2_much




msg:216957
 12:47 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

So what's the penalty for people who scream wolf?

Helpmebe1




msg:216958
 12:50 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Penalty for screaming wolf? Yank em from these boards and from google..that will teach them a lesson.. ohh wait.. most of these people wouldnt be here then... :)

eljefe3




msg:216959
 1:01 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

>>So what's the penalty for people who scream wolf?

Well if your nic is dogboy, I'd say no exercise, no trail running and no food for 3 days.

sirlion




msg:216960
 1:14 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Greetings All,
No lyrics here, an observation:
I think what happened is G tested their new algo on AOL the end of last week and over the weekend and were not satisfied with the SERP's. I had a large increase in traffic for a particular page at that time in a very competetive area all from AOL. These results were not duplicated on G or any other partners. In some searches I actually placed higher for a particular merchant when that merchants name or trademarks were searched for. After all thr crap about the last update I think G wants to get it "right". They own the search market right now and have a lot at stake. It may be a while before we see the dance again.

Thoughts?

DuhKid




msg:216961
 1:15 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

>>So what's the penalty for people who scream wolf?<<

$10 donation to ww. I did it last month. :)

rfgdxm1




msg:216962
 1:17 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

>Penalty for screaming wolf? Yank em from these boards and from google..that will teach them a lesson.. ohh wait.. most of these people wouldnt be here then...

Update? What update? I don't see no steenkin update. ;)

bobmark




msg:216963
 2:05 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

interesting, sirlion - I'll have to check my logs, although it sounds like the "new freshened page" phenonema - they often rank outrageously high for a brief period, but I'm not sure to what degree they get into aol.

sirlion




msg:216964
 3:06 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Quote: I'll have to check my logs, although it sounds like the "new freshened page" phenonema

I am not familar with that. This is an old page I had neglected for quite some time and was optomized for Ink origonally (That might raise another question!) And if this is the phenonema you refer to why were the results only on AOL?

BTW: The new Stones song would be apt here " Baby don't stop"

wasmith




msg:216965
 3:11 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

I say we let google employees post when they think the update will start. I 'll take care of the mouse pad ;)

bobmark




msg:216966
 5:19 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

You're quite right sirlion (see how I haven't mis-spelled it to sirloin yet?) it should have been in Google if it was a "freshened" result. I didn't see an aol bulge for that period in my logs, but then we're talking something very specific apparently.
I also am out of my depth on whether Google can - or does - alter client results other than across the board. There are people on here like Brett who would know (and also to what degree aol filters or otherwise manipulates Google results).
just FYI since you said you were unfamiliar with it, the Google "freshbot" crawls some sites daily, especially home/entry pages and will pick up a new link (whether the page is new or not) and often rank that page extremely high for a period from hours to days. I have had this happen where for a period a single page on my site will have a serp of 2 or 3, well ahead of major players' sites devoted to the same subject.

Nick_W




msg:216967
 6:31 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

More Yahoo!

Checking some keywords I follow I've noticed that more Y! directory listings seem to be coming up on w2/3. In one case: 8 Y! listings on w2. (there are none on w1)

Anyone else notice this?

Nick

fathom




msg:216968
 6:47 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

A little post humor - the order of posts 107 - 110.

duckhunter shewhoguards 2_much Helpmebe1

Beachboy




msg:216969
 8:30 am on Oct 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Here's something I've never seen before, and it's at 12:30am Halloween morning, Pacific time:

On www2.google.com....

Your search - link:cnn.com - did not match any documents.

Alternates with results for 103,000. Good news maybe? ;)

www3 is not behaving that way.

Update: www3 is now alternating the same way.

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