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has anybody idea why is google update late?
Noximus




msg:210438
 2:42 pm on Oct 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

has anybody idea why is google update late?

 

creative craig




msg:210439
 2:45 pm on Oct 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

I have been wondering the same thing... seems like this wait has been going on for ages!

Craig

Matt_James




msg:210440
 2:49 pm on Oct 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Could the days of monthly updates are coming to an end? There have been a lot of changes at Google lately, with their new freshbot is there any need to have 1 big monthly update.

CuriousWeb




msg:210441
 2:50 pm on Oct 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

I don't think it's late yet, just it was early last month.

But am waiting too...

Dino_M




msg:210442
 2:53 pm on Oct 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Maybe it's a responce to the backlash about the quality of the searches having gone down, after last months update! Could be taking them a bit longer to make sure they nail it this month.

kaz




msg:210443
 2:55 pm on Oct 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

In the Odds on Google thread, GoogleGuy commented ...

"I think the update will happen when it's ready, and we've finished our normal battery of testing and evaluation."

I don't think it is necessarily "late" either.

Noximus




msg:210444
 2:57 pm on Oct 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

how do you think, is it possible that google omits whole october update? and it will not be update untill Nowember
20-28?

Noximus

Macguru




msg:210445
 3:00 pm on Oct 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

I read this question as if Google had an appointment.

Not the case. Uptading is not a goal by itself. They will update when they are ready to do so. Technically they just cannot be "late".

Speculating on why could bring a lot of interesting theories yet to be verified, but nothing more. Mine is just that they have too much things to do before they update. As simple as that.

creative craig




msg:210446
 3:02 pm on Oct 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

I dont think that they would do that. The amount of new sites and new pages added to the Internet and web would mean alot of work for them next time around.

I also think that they would have to increase the amount of freshbots to get rid of the big dance altogether... IMO :)

Craig

Slud




msg:210447
 3:09 pm on Oct 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Didn't the last update come 36 days after the one before that? It's only been 32 days since the last update, so it's not like this index is breaking new ground for stale-ness.

foy




msg:210448
 3:12 pm on Oct 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

no update in october :(

olias




msg:210449
 3:25 pm on Oct 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

with their new freshbot is there any need to have 1 big monthly update

The freshbot stuff just adds pages into the index where it thinks they should be, the monthly update is still required to recalculate the distribution of PR.

MJR




msg:210450
 3:26 pm on Oct 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

I think it simply that Google has a lot more on its plate to deal with this month. And I suspect from the ton of flack they took last month that they are being extra careful that their ducks are all in a row :)

WebGuerrilla




msg:210451
 4:00 pm on Oct 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

If you look at Google's update history [webmasterworld.com], you'll see that we are still within the basic scheduled time. You'll also see that there was no update in March of 2002, so having the update show up in the first week of November wouldn't be something completely new.

mediaman




msg:210452
 4:06 pm on Oct 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

maybe there won't be an update. :-) JK

djgreg




msg:210453
 4:16 pm on Oct 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Why shouldn't they update? I agree to creative craig that the amount of new sites would be very BBBIIIGGG, when they do not update one month.

bateman_ap




msg:210454
 4:19 pm on Oct 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

That would be the plan i would have thought of google to have no definate update. They seem to be making great ground with the everflux, I have noticed results being more up to date and helpful.

I wouldn't be sad if there was never a big update again, rather tweaking and updated results all month long

WebGuerrilla




msg:210455
 4:29 pm on Oct 28, 2002 (gmt 0)


The only way the update is going to go away is if Google completely drops PR as an algo component.

The constant insertion of fresh content will probably make the updates less dramatic, but at some point, you still need to take the time to do the math.

DaveN




msg:210456
 4:33 pm on Oct 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

personally i think if you look at what has happen over the last month.

Yahoo -> google serps
google -> counteracts against googlebombing
google -> BBC and other media reports about censorship.

yahoo's serp seem cleaner than googles (yahoo algo better?)
There was a SMALL out cry from people who lost their rankings in the last googleboming algo change.

I think google have been trying algo tweaks all this month but only in certain areas.

I saw on one day three of four changes in an hour, which throw up loads of spam sites to the surface and then they were removed from the index all together.

when google are ready they will start the update, but i think this one will be a biggie.

DaveN

web_india




msg:210457
 4:41 pm on Oct 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

The only way the update is going to go away is if Google completely drops PR as an algo component.

Google's not going to drop PR but yes, their ultimate aim seems to be updating the sites on daily basis and when they reach that stage, even then the update would still be there but it won't be to add new sites but to calculate their links, PR etc.

And the way Google is working on "minty fresh" results my guess is that by January next year they would start including fresh sites every second day and the updates would only be for the calculation part.

HarryM




msg:210458
 4:47 pm on Oct 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Am I correct in assuming that google.co.uk, google.com.cn, .fr, .de, etc have separate databases which are individually updated?

Are these databases then merged with the main google.com database?

If so any delays in the chain would impact the final update date.

creative craig




msg:210459
 4:50 pm on Oct 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Surely if they still add the new pages every day and do the calculating once a month, then the once a month update would still be as important as it is now to alot of people.

If a site one month had put in an extra effort for linking it wouldnt become apparent till update time so you would still be in the same boat as we are now.. IMO

Craig

lazerzubb




msg:210460
 4:50 pm on Oct 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

>>Am I correct in assuming that google.co.uk, google.com.cn, .fr, .de, etc have separate databases which are individually updated?

No they all use the same database (the main one), they only have different filters, so they rank regional pages better.

Sasquatch




msg:210461
 5:06 pm on Oct 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

The most likely reason would be having to change something and re-run portions of the update till they got it right. Some of those strange results reported on www2 might have been tests, and Google might have agree with the evaluations here of the results.

There also could have been hardware problems in the data centers. A router could go down, a bad SCSI switch, any number of problems that could slow things down.

rfgdxm1




msg:210462
 7:40 pm on Oct 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

>In the Odds on Google thread, GoogleGuy commented ...

>"I think the update will happen when it's ready, and we've finished our normal battery of testing and evaluation."

This is basically Googleguy saying nothing substantive. Of course sometime in the future there will be an update. However, not even a hint there that the October update will even happen in October. In March, that update didn't happen until April 6.

We'll see. One thing I've noticed in the past is just before the update www, www2 and www2 all settle down to the same results, and fresh listings seem to vanish. I am seeing that at the moment. My guess is the update is very near. Of course, I could be wrong. ;)

europeforvisitors




msg:210463
 7:46 pm on Oct 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Surely if they still add the new pages every day and do the calculating once a month, then the once a month update would still be as important as it is now to alot of people.

Not necessarily. Relevance seems to take precedence over PageRank (at least, when things are working correctly), so changes in PageRank wouldn't necessarily have much effect for multi-word keyphrases (especially keyphrases that aren't highly competitive).

Note that I said "when things are working correctly." At the moment, a low-relevance page has rocketed to the #1 position for one of my major keyphrases because of the PR7 that it receives as a subdomain within a "network of sites." It would appear that, at least for the moment, PageRank is taking precedence over relevance in some cases.

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