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Google Wins Yahoo
The guessing is over -- Yahoo stays with Google and debuts new look.
dannysullivan




msg:122057
 9:29 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

Just announced that Yahoo has renewed with Google, and this also explains the major changes that some people have seen at Yahoo this week. This thread covers that:
[webmasterworld.com...]

Also posted a story at my site -- if a moderator wants to do a direct link, pretty easy to spot.

 

Lingerboy




msg:122087
 10:45 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

This is bad. How could Yahoo, in good concience, take all those fees from all of those customers, knowing full well they would dilute the value of what was provided for said fee. IMO this is dishonest and a prime example of "bait and switch". I don't care what their agreement says....this is wrong. This ranks up there with the Looksmart move. I'd say it's worse b/c the scale of those affected (robbed) is far wider.....IMO

As far as who else they might use to supliment Google....INK and AV are the obvious choices. Both have trusted feed programs based on a CPC model. This means a revenue share opportunity. How long b/c Google offers a trusted feed CPC program?

This is great if you are fan of monopolies and you have good position in Google.

Beachboy




msg:122088
 10:48 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

<<How could Yahoo, in good concience....>>

Well, perhaps no conscience was involved. ;)

heretic




msg:122089
 10:52 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

Danny Sullivan...hmm that name sounds familiar. Well, you guys have done a great job attracting some talent to this board. So is no one using searchengineforums (can I say that word here?) anymore? When did this site pop up btw and who's behind it? Fabulous work..

hazardtomyself




msg:122090
 10:56 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

>>> Generally speaking, this is horrible - even if you didn't like Yahoo SERP's at least they were different from Google... now everything is the same.<<<

I could not agree more. Now we have to search MSN if we want different results. I'm pissed. I recently listed a very relevant site in Y! that had a very good position, but because Google has not updated it's crawl, what was #1 in Y! now does not even exist...and it won't until Ms. Google Bot updates her info.

Y! can forget about me renewing or paying for that matter, that $299 again unless my relevant sites are found as they once were. What's the point of paying. Get a good rank in Google and you've covered 75% of the internet.

nipear




msg:122091
 10:56 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

I just submited a site this morning. :(

Time for a chargeback :)

Anyway looking at the results I am in shock that Yahoo, has given up their directory. Now people have absolutely no reason use Yahoo. Well at least most of my sites will do very well with the new system. Now if you get banned by google it's all over.

One company controling the information on the web is not a good thing... No matter how well we do from it...

[edited by: Marcia at 11:34 pm (utc) on Oct. 9, 2002]

olias




msg:122092
 11:03 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

Now we have to search MSN if we want different results

A certain irony about it really. Made me grin anyway. :)

[edited by: Marcia at 11:35 pm (utc) on Oct. 9, 2002]

Internet Marketing M




msg:122093
 11:06 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

This is very simple math everyone. Yahoo wants to make money. I have been spending thousands with them since I discovered thats what it took to get good ranking in their engine. Now all the money I spent with them has turned to 0000000000000's. The only results I have in Yahoo now are the ones I have in Google.

Yahoo is Google with 4 overture spots on the top and ads on the top bottom and right. and more overture at the bottom.

Can anyone think of a single reason to give Yahoo a single dime any longer?

In 2 months when the rest of the world discovers that for your $299.00 you get 0000000000000000000000. They may change their tune and acutally give mankind a reason to give them money again.

Finally: Anyone here can think of 1 single reason to ever give Yahoo another dime?

defanjos




msg:122094
 11:18 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

This was a simple business decision for Yahoo, what gives them more revenue, the few people that pay the $299 per year OR the millions of visitors that will continue to go to the site due to the good search results?

Visitors won't have to leave the site to do their searches elsewhere - so that means more people looking at ads, which equals more money.

nutsandbolts




msg:122095
 11:21 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

the few people that pay the $299 per year

More like a few thousand a week ;)

nipear Sorry to hear about your bad timing - get that chargeback done today!

volatilegx




msg:122096
 11:21 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

Nobody in their right mind would give Yahoo a cent now, of course. Just get a ranking in Google, and you're a shoo-in over at Yahoo for free.

I hope Yahoo does begin using Inktomi listings as well as Google's...

Brad




msg:122097
 11:22 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

Humph. I'll bet they timed this announcement to coincide with PubConference. Give you all something to talk about while drinking mass quantities of British beer. :)

Marcia




msg:122098
 11:26 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

The thing is, that people paid for *consideration" for a listing in the Directory, with even inclusion to that not guaranteed. Yahoo didn't change their business model at all, they've not changed what they offer. They've only changed search, which isn't even mentioned as a remote promise.

Omni




msg:122099
 11:27 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

This is big news, all those work to get listed into Yahoo wasted! Will be interesting to see though if Yahoo decides to deal with Ink :)

mayor




msg:122100
 11:28 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

Why all the sobbing from the directory huddle? It would seem to me having your site show up in the Yahoo search (web search) listing would be just as good, or maybe better, than having it show up in the old directory, especially since the Yahoo directory listings get a page rank boost in Google which is powering the Yahoo search.

Have you checked your traffic stats in the few hours since the Yahoo combined search went live, and have they really taken a beating?

A lot of website promoters would pay $300 for a Yahoo directory listing just for the Google boost, irregardless of traffic results from the directory.

Excuse me if I'm speaking out of ignorance since I never saw fit to use the Yahoo Directory, but I have to ask what other bystanders like myself are probably wondering.

[edited by: mayor at 11:30 pm (utc) on Oct. 9, 2002]

Internet Marketing M




msg:122101
 11:28 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

Oh, and There are DEFINITELY ways to improve your search relevency and still make your paying customers happy without having ALL GOOGLE RESULTS!

Its actually the stupidest thing I have ever seen a search engine do. You care about making all the searchers happy? Really?

Which will make you more happy then, go to google, see a few small ads and the same results, or go to Yahoo and see google with Ads every single place you look, top4, bottom2, right, banners .

Yahoo is now a desacrated with ads google. You think that helps their corporate image, stock value or visitors enjoyment? If they really cared about that, they would take down their ads, Write Google at the top of the page, and then their users would be truly happy.

Yahoo=Google with ads spammed all over it. When the rest of the world figures that out, they will begin to understand you only make money by being unique. You have to have something everyone else does not. They used to have human editors. Now they have Google (which everyone else has, and Google themselves!)

Google with ads everywhere...hmm...I'll just use google.

Internet Marketing M




msg:122102
 11:31 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

[help.yahoo.com...]

Note: Third-party search engine providers may include listings for which the third party has received payment to review and/or include the site within its database. (Please note: The third-party web sites listed within the Directory and third-party search results are not owned by Yahoo!.)

Gone from horrible to apocylpse. Wait, what am I complaing about other than the few grand I lost, I do great in Google too!

All hail the iron fist of Google.

lawman




msg:122103
 11:32 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

At least nobody's compared this to the L$ fiasco. :)

lawman

crobb305




msg:122104
 11:35 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

The little red arrows pointing to sites in the Yahoo Directory may encourage more webmasters to pay for Yahoo listing (to get listed on the category page the arrow points to) which would mean mucho $$$ for Yahoo.

I like the new format.

[edited by: crobb305 at 11:57 pm (utc) on Oct. 9, 2002]

mayor




msg:122105
 11:37 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

This must be devastating to Inktomi ... now MSN has them by the gonads.

Internet Marketing M




msg:122106
 11:37 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

Yeah, I'll pay $300 for the little arrow which takes you to my competitors sites! Oh and yeah does anyone even see my red arrow unless I am on the first page of Google? Ummmm no.

Click: [add.yahoo.com...]

Let them know what they've done wrong.

indigojo




msg:122107
 11:43 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

Well for my 2 cents worth i think yahoo have realised that they're 10 percent stake could in 5 years be worth an awful lot of money compared to what it may be worth now, so protect Google's growth ! :)

mosley700




msg:122108
 11:44 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

I suspect they'll figure out what they've done wrong when nobody renews their listings, or submits new. I was just gonna submit another site, but now I can't think of a single good reason to.

Marcia




msg:122109
 11:47 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

Lawman, LS changed their business model completely, going from Directory to PPC. Yahoo never offered anything but a review for possible inclusion - in their Directory. That hasn't changed, you still get exactly what you pay for.

mayor




msg:122110
 11:47 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

>> can't think of a single good reason to

Then think Page Rank.

NoCarrier




msg:122111
 11:48 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

You will still be a winner if the keywords trigger the Yahoo! directory. And if you are not the last listing in that directory. Most people will still click on the directory link. If not, well, good luck with the googlebot.

crobb305




msg:122112
 11:52 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

I just sent them a compliment on the new format. Paying the $300 for the listing might mean higher page rank and may, in turn, lead to higher rankings to the first or second page. Not all searchers stop on the first page.

:)

shelleycat




msg:122113
 11:53 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

I may be a litle confused here but weren't Yahoo already using Google for search results? The main difference I see is that the directory results don't come up first when you do a search, but they are still there when you hit the directory button. So all the listings are there, they just don't come up first by default any more (which Yahoo never promised they would anyway). Is there something I'm missing?

Robino




msg:122114
 11:54 pm on Oct 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

Google has its own (ODP)directory, search results, PPC and news area. What does ANYONE need Yahoo! for?

Quinn




msg:122115
 12:02 am on Oct 10, 2002 (gmt 0)


"This was a simple business decision for Yahoo, what gives them more revenue, the few people that pay the $299 per year OR the millions of visitors that will continue to go to the site due to the good search results?
Visitors won't have to leave the site to do their searches elsewhere - so that means more people looking at ads, which equals more money. "

Not sure about that one. On Tuesday there was close to 200 new business listings accepted into Yahoo. Lemme see at $300 a pop lets call it $60 grand. I don't know how simple of a business decision that is..

cminblues




msg:122116
 12:06 am on Oct 10, 2002 (gmt 0)


This is internet searches monopoly.

Next step, ICANN-Google venture?

You may think it's good, 'cause Google is good.
And, well, you may also stop, why not, watching TV news, listening radios, reading newspapers.

Google is great.
We have Google, we have all.
We are Google.
- repeat 3 times with a cyborg voice -

cminblues


heretic




msg:122117
 12:09 am on Oct 10, 2002 (gmt 0)

I just submited a site this morning.
Time for a chargeback

AAAHHH...finally, the most intelligent method I ever heard of for getting listed on Yahoo. Since their listings are so bad and never updated, just submit to them, use credit card, do a chargeback, do you really think the person at billing will remember to tell the directory guy to pull it out? No way, you're in you're in for good...

I love it!

PS The reason I have this attitude to yahoo is I once paid their expen$ive fee and didn't get in and the guy was really rude about it. Although I now understand that the site I submitted wasn't that user friendly when I submitted it, as a small non-profit site it's a lot of money to spend to not get in and then be treated rudely by the guy as he rejects you. (It wasn't spam site or anything bad, just poorly designed).

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