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redirecting google traffic
vanekpavel




msg:173286
 11:47 am on Oct 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

hi
i would like to start redirect google traffic by htaccess directly to my sponozors. Do you think it could bring some harm for me or it is o.k.? how about googlebot, maybe he will not be able to find my site?
thanks for your replyies.

 

bcc1234




msg:173287
 12:40 pm on Oct 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

I guess it could be considered as cloaking.

Dreamquick




msg:173288
 12:42 pm on Oct 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

So you are wondering if by showing your visitors something other than what the googlebot saw you'd cause yourself trouble?

At the end of the day if the googlebot sees real content and your visitors coming through google expect to find that same content - are they likely to want to immediately be taken to your sponsors website?

I'd say that would cause trouble (as in essence this would be a form of cloaking), but that's just my opinion...

1) Whenever a site does that to me I wont bother looking at any results from that domain ever again because I feel the rest of their "results" will result in the same issue (lots of sites do this with amazon & ebay which annoys me immensely).

2) Depending on my mood I might also report the problem. If enough people do that most SEs will take notice since they are forced to be customer led since less customers means less marketshare which in turn means less income.

3) Most search engines would have a problem with something which makes them look like they can't produce good results...

- Tony

redzone




msg:173289
 1:25 pm on Oct 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

Vanekpavel:

This is "NOT" cloaking. Cloaking is showing GoogleBot something other than the actual page content, at a specific URL.

What you are referring to is commonly known as a "re-direct", and Google "Frowns" upon re-directs also. Because now you are "re-directing" search users to different content than what Google indexed from spidering...

bcc1234




msg:173290
 2:24 pm on Oct 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

This is "NOT" cloaking. Cloaking is showing GoogleBot something other than the actual page content, at a specific URL.

He would have to do cloaking. If he just puts a redirect - then he'll be out of index after one update.
In order for him to stay in the index, he would have to serve different content to googlebot and visitors.
That is cloaking, last time I checked.

redzone




msg:173291
 2:43 pm on Oct 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

If he just puts a redirect - then he'll be out of index after one update.

Most Likely, but the question was "what harm" could occur, if vanekpavel did an "HTACCESS" level Re-direct. And you said it was cloaking. Again, it is not.

GoogleBot would get re-directed also. If GoogleBot followed the HTACCESS level re-direct, it would crawl the same content that a search user would be "re-directed" to.

But, I doubt GoogleBot follows HTACCESS re-directs.. :)

If the re-direct was executed at the page serving level, via IP or User Agent delivery, then it would be cloaking.. Because GoogleBot would see diferent content than the search user.

In any event vanekpavel, you don't want to perform re-directs at any level... :)

Dreamquick




msg:173292
 3:25 pm on Oct 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

Actually if he put the redirect only on traffic coming from google (presumably based on the referrer string) then that would be invisible to the googlebot and so the content would get indexed.

Because this involves serving two sets of content (depending on how the user reached the site) it has passed beyond simple redirect into cloaking territory since the googlebot would be given a radically different page to a real user being referred from google.

- Tony

EBear




msg:173293
 4:00 pm on Oct 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

Googlebot does follow .htaccess redirects, and very effetively. I have some on old and dormant domains which still have inbound links - not an attempt to cloak as there is only on piece of content. GB indexes the Title and content of the targeted domain and then treats BOTH domains as being the one, as far as I can see. One such page was crawled on Sat 28 Sept and appeared in the SERPs the next day, right in the middle of the dance.

wasmith




msg:173294
 4:47 pm on Oct 7, 2002 (gmt 0)

I believe the end result would be the sponsor site URL will be indexed and get the benifite of the links going to the site which has the redirect. Likly the sponsor site redirects to the home page after counting the click through.

This would mean you would not get any credit for hits coming from google SERPs to your sponsor.

If you don't redirect googlebot you will likly be reported by a competitor and dropped from the index.

allonline




msg:173295
 10:59 am on Oct 8, 2002 (gmt 0)

I have a similar redirect query.

I have a url1 and a url2, the second domain name url2 is hosted at the same domain space as url1, no point getting a new hosting account at the moment its only one page.

In order for it to be at the same domain space as url1 my hosting company has to have it pointing via a redirect to a subdirectory on url1.

so www.url1.com/subdirectory/ is the path that www.url2.com points via a frame redirect. The index page displayed if you type in www.url2.com is the same page in www.url1.com/subdirectory/

the second url was listed by google and yahoo for free within weeks.

the problem I have is that the page is not showing up in google correctly as it has only spidered the frame redirect even though I had submitted www.url2.com/index.html, therefore no content is found the cached page is blank, the url www.url1.com/subdirectory/ has appeared and then disappeared from the index in the last week.

what I want to know is if I use .htaccess to redirect the url2 to the url1 subdirectory would google then spider the correct index.html page
and in what directory would i put it i.e. in www.url1.com or www.url1.com/subdirectory/ the only current .htaccess file i can find is in my logfiles directory. My host says that it is ok to use the .htaccess but advised against it.

when you have plenty of domain space and bandwidth it seems a waste to keep buying seperate hosting accounts for each domain name you want to host so I think there must be a way to have more than one url hosted in the same domain space and get it spidered correctly.

I only seem to have this problem with google as the index page contents seem to be ok on other search engines.

i am getting hits though from google, it just when I seach for my url2 domain the displayed info is just the title and url2 name. If I search on keywords that I know show up in the top ten on other search engines I get nothing in google or its buried so deep I havent found it yet.

By the way it PR0 (only listed 4 weeks)but I get 4 times the traffic of url1 about a 1000 hits a day. Not bad for a one page content themed website, pcked up a few links in as a featured site and have about a hundred out, free yahoo listing and I've been informed its in dmoz as well but not showing in public directory yet. Content is king.

thanks

tristan




msg:173296
 12:07 pm on Oct 8, 2002 (gmt 0)

>I believe the end result would be the sponsor site URL will be
>indexed and get the benifite of the links going to the
>site which has the redirect.

like Dreamquick said, if you redirect based on the referer field,
googlebot will still see (spider) your page, as will normal surfers
coming from a non google site
eitherhow I don't think google would like any of that

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