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Everflux - October 2002 mid-month Google spidering and minor updates
Tracking Google activity between regular monthly updates
Marcia

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Msg#: 5914 posted 7:28 pm on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

Every month we have a lot of reports and questions about mid-month additions and changes in the Google index. Last month we started consolidating them into one thread so all the information would be easier to find and be especially helpful to those new to Google or our Google News forum.

You can refer to September's Everflux / mid-month changes [webmasterworld.com] to see the previous pattern, which is one of the primary reasons we're trying to keep them all together.

To recap:

1.The Monthly Update
There's one major Google update per month, starting somewhere between the 20th and the 28th. It generally takes several days to settle, at which time the data migrates to Google's partner sites.

2. The Monthly Crawl
The major crawl takes place at right around this time. With some it's been reported to start at the same time or just before the update begins, while others are not crawled until afterward. This continues for several days, and there's been some conjecture that PR might possibly have something to do with the timing.

3. Mid-month activity, referred to as Everflux.
All during the month between updates there has been some spidering, sites added, and minor position changes. This is related to Google keeping their search results "minty fresh" but while minor ranking changes occur, this does not affect the entire index.

It's worked well, so we'll continue to do this now, in October. This is where we can post what we experience and observe, to compare and discuss it among ourselves. We'll again confine it all to one thread so it's simpler to keep track of the information and observations we share that are so important to us all.

Note: We'll be moving some threads onto this one, as we did last month, as well as for the update itself.

We sincerely thank you for your contributions to our collective knowledge and understanding and wish you all good luck with your sites.

 

martinibuster

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Msg#: 5914 posted 5:10 am on Oct 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

Psst... Skirope:
"everflux".
I've seen this happen to new sites.

ciml

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Msg#: 5914 posted 6:11 pm on Oct 16, 2002 (gmt 0)

John and Andrey, are your sites travel related? If so, try the search with &hl=de added to the Google search URL.

Welcome to WebmasterWorld [webmasterworld.com], skirope.

You're describing the 'Fresh' listings. See Marcia's Google Everflux [webmasterworld.com] thread and my Google Fresh Listings [webmasterworld.com] explanation.

Kevinp26

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Msg#: 5914 posted 7:23 pm on Oct 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

My website was taken off google on 26th August 2002 and now is removed from yahoo too. It was in both 15 months without any trouble.

KJP

johnd

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Msg#: 5914 posted 7:40 pm on Oct 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

things are beginning to get back to normal for me.. my site is back in the rankings with the fresh cache..

Grumpus

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Msg#: 5914 posted 8:33 pm on Oct 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

I was noticing it earlier today. We haven't heard of it since the "Everflux" concept came into play, but it's been there all along... Remember the false "IT'S THE DANCE!" messages we used to get? When Google would start messing with things right before the actual update and people would freak out. It seems to be happening, which, of course, means that we'll probably see an update this weekend or early next week.

On my site, while the links haven't changed (the only true way to tell when the update has started), I'm seeing that it is shuffling stuff. On www I have 24K pages in the index. www2 and 3 I've only got 14K and that keeps fluctuatiing. I'm guessing they're shuffling my pages that have been FRESHED this month into one of the other indexes to get the most current one into the update. I'm guessing on that, though. It could be any number of things.

All I know is that this is all typical of the days leading to the dance.

G.

2_much

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Msg#: 5914 posted 10:30 pm on Oct 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

ciml what do you mean by this?

"try the search with &hl=de added to the Google search URL. "

ciml

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Msg#: 5914 posted 1:02 pm on Oct 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

The strange results on some searches was first mentioned here in SlyOldDog's The new algo has not hit Germany yet [webmasterworld.com] thread. b4rney's New update ... language specific? [webmasterworld.com] thread gave more clues (including the &hl=en thing). The issues were pulled together in George's Google Local Results [webmasterworld.com] thread.

Basically, for some search phrases you can get very different results if you change your interface language to German or some other non-English languages. Just by adding &hl=de to the URL of the Google results page for a search such as hotel SomeCountry the results can be seen without the new filter.

precious

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Msg#: 5914 posted 1:33 pm on Oct 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

I uploaded and submitted my site before the google dance. Though it was not listed after the dance, it was in the index a couple of days back. Since yesterday though, it has disappeared. It isn't even there in www2 and www3.

Is this the "everflux" I keep reading about or should I be concerned?

tunayilmaz



 
Msg#: 5914 posted 7:46 am on Oct 4, 2002 (gmt 0)

I am getting very different SERPs. They are changing on every page refreshes. Sometimes I found one of my site at 14th position, sometimes 23rd position, sometimes I couldn't find my website.

What kind of update is this? Will it stop at any time. It's like that for 3 days, I wonder when it will stop. I think this is a kind of penalty.

Do you have any idea?

Thank you

Brett_Tabke

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Msg#: 5914 posted 5:35 am on Oct 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

Search the site here on "everflux".

Google is updating some sites on the fly. Now throw in 5-6 data centers around the planet. Not all those centers are going to have the same copy of the database at the same time. Sometimes when you refresh, you get connected to another center with one copy of the db and another refresh another center with a different copy of the db. So it appears that the results are changing.

Why and how Google is working the magic to redirect you to different data centers is unknown. The most common way is via simple dns changes or simple loading sharing arrangements where you may be connecting to different boxes at the exact same data center while the mini update (copying of the new db) to the boxes is being done.

I'd almost bet that when your above scenario took place, that it cleared itself in a couple of hours or less and results appeared stable after that.

tunayilmaz



 
Msg#: 5914 posted 11:02 am on Oct 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

I dont think so. It is not like that. Why only my website is changing.

Still my SERPs changing, but now not on every refresh, they are chaging once a day or twice a day.

I will send you a sticky, maybe you want to see.

thanks.

Brett_Tabke

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Msg#: 5914 posted 1:37 pm on Oct 20, 2002 (gmt 0)

Well, could be some local domain filter at work. Google does provide different results to different countries. At a minimum I'd think you are switching between two or more db's. Why that is, only Google could answer.

kindredmwa

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Msg#: 5914 posted 8:04 pm on Oct 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

I launched a site a month ago,3 days ago,my site was hit by google bot and when i searched for my domian name it was listed,today my site isnt listed when i search for my "domainname"..

any ideas what happened or what i need to do?

thanks.

Slade

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Msg#: 5914 posted 8:12 pm on Oct 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

What was the IP of the googlebot that indexed your site?

kindredmwa

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Msg#: 5914 posted 8:18 pm on Oct 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

I didnt write it down and in my CP only lets me check my last 400 visitors. how can I check and why is this important to know?thanks alot.

Sasquatch

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Msg#: 5914 posted 8:26 pm on Oct 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Slade,

It doesn't matter what the IP address was. That just tells you what box they used, not whether it was operating as a regular update bot or a fresh bot. I have seen both sets of IP addresses used for both purposes.

They do *tend* towards using one set of machines for freshbot duty, but I have seen both doing it.

Since this is a case of classic freshbot behavior, there really isn't much point in asking which machine did the crawl.

kindredmwa

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Msg#: 5914 posted 8:29 pm on Oct 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

ok,any ideas why im not showing up now? or should i resubmit?

Sasquatch

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Msg#: 5914 posted 9:06 pm on Oct 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

The reason you are not showing up is that it was a "fresh crawl" and results from those tend to only stay in the SERPs for a couple of days.

Don't worry. Google knows you are there, but you will not make it in solid till you are hit with an update crawl and then google updates their main index.

The next update crawl will probably be in early November and the Update from that crawl will be in late November. That is why most sites tell you it will take 6 to 8 weeks to get into the Google index.

I suggest that you spend the next couple of weeks before the big crawl trying to get some incoming links from good sites, and make sure that your content is in order. Then be patient, there is no way to speed it up and get google to work on your time table.

<edit> and spend some time reading some of the threads here, you will quickly learn a lot about how google works </edit>

kindredmwa

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Msg#: 5914 posted 9:26 pm on Oct 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

thanks alot,im so glad i found this forum.Very helpful.Ive been reading in here for almost 6 hours..lol

thanks,ive got alot of incoming links,but i will work on getting more.thanks again!

quotations

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Msg#: 5914 posted 7:31 am on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

My keyword1 keyword2 has been number 5 since the last dance.

It was the same on www, www2 and www3 all month so far.

Tonight, on www it is at #5 and on www2 it is at #3.

quotations

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Msg#: 5914 posted 7:37 am on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

And now, ... it is gone.

They are all the same again.

quotations

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Msg#: 5914 posted 7:39 am on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

... and now back on www3 but not on www2 or www.

Woz

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Msg#: 5914 posted 7:49 am on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Quotations, you are probably seeing the Everflux effect. However, there is also some conjecture as to whether Google is testing their algorithm [webmasterworld.com] which also may be what you are seeing.

Don't worry, when the update is on, you will know.

Onya
Woz

dan_popescu

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Msg#: 5914 posted 7:25 pm on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

I had a few Google referrals on a page I just added a few days ago. However, if I do a Google search with the particular page (whole url) in the search box, Google says it's not in! Though I checked, and it does come up for some search terms. I don't get it.

JonB

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Msg#: 5914 posted 7:55 pm on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

dan,this is usually i nthe time of index update..check in www2 and www3. google could be switching databases. so maybe you saw first sings of this months update..which usually happens aroudn 20th.

I sent you link to google dance machine to check it.

Jon

JonB

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Msg#: 5914 posted 7:58 pm on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

oh one more thing- try CLICKING or pasting refferal url in browser. do you see your site in results? if not then gogole is back to "old" database. check the same url with "www2" and "www3".

dan_popescu

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Msg#: 5914 posted 8:00 pm on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Thanks Jon
Yea, that's what I just did (pasted referral phrase, the page does come up in results).

Dan

JonB

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Msg#: 5914 posted 8:05 pm on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

so the page comes in resutls from WWW? hm, then it is not update thing. any ideas anoynone?

jeremy goodrich

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Msg#: 5914 posted 8:06 pm on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

From what I've seen in my logs, it appears they are rotating in newer results ...the everflux, is my best guess.

Slade

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Msg#: 5914 posted 9:23 pm on Oct 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Can someone refresh my memory(or give me a link)?

What are we supposed to see from the google dance machine?

2_much

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Msg#: 5914 posted 12:30 am on Oct 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

Jeremy, I think you're right on. I saw this today for a couple of very small keywords, only a couple hundred results.

I don't know much about everflux but this seems like this is it. I'd never seen it before because I don't usually perform such small queries, but maybe that's why they've added it for small queries, to supplement the results.

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