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I CAN get to google from china!
bigM_sh




msg:35502
 10:55 am on Sep 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi

I came back to Shanghai from Germany yesterday and was totally shocked when i wanted to use Google this morning

I think all URLs are redirected now

.com and .de redirect to Baidu

.co.uk and some others redirect to a Search engine of the Beijing unversity where you can search FTP and WWW for Files

bigM

 

Key_Master




msg:35503
 11:55 am on Sep 9, 2002 (gmt 0)

bigate [bigate.com]

bathrobe




msg:35504
 12:14 pm on Sep 9, 2002 (gmt 0)
This time I was redirected to a Peking University web search site. They had a notice in Chinese at the bottom that read:

Users who try to connect to Google may be redirected to Tianwang Search or other domestic search engines. This is not the doing of Tianwang Search nor is it what Tianwang Search desires. We ask for the understanding of our Internet friends. The Tianwang Search that you have connected to through www.google.com may not be easy to use. Please use http://bingle.pku.edu.cn.

(In the final analysis they are still taking advantage of this windfall, for which I guess they can't be blamed!)

barnaba




msg:35505
 1:53 am on Sep 11, 2002 (gmt 0)
When I used following links yesterday, it can did. But today I can not conect them.
http://www.alltooflat.com/geeky/elgoog/
http://google.cm.nu/
http://google.icq.com/search/
bathrobe




msg:35506
 5:05 am on Sep 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

I tried elgoog.com just now -- no problem.
ICQ.com also OK.

No luck with google.cm.nu

Brett_Tabke




msg:35507
 1:49 pm on Sep 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

Despite a suspect translation, here is a very interesting Chinese Govt perspective on the situation from Pravada in Beijing:

[english.pravda.ru...]

No matter how severely the Chinese censorship is criticized, the ousted search engines should blame themselves for the expulsion. Google and AltaVista allowed unpardonable mistakes concerning the problems of Taiwan and Tibet, the fanatical sect of Falun Gong, these are the problem which are so much painful for China.

heini




msg:35508
 2:42 pm on Sep 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

>chinese government perspective
That's not the way I read this. To me this article rather reflects the opinion of a Pravda writer, and is directed towards Russia much more than towards China.

It would mean to go into Russian politics here, and internal russian debates about the role Russia should play in the world, to explain what this article really says, so I'll leave it at that.

The article anyhow puts forward the really interesting question, if Google, and Altavista, will resist the pressure from Chinese authorities.
There's a gigantic potential audience at stake.
Nearly 50 Mill users today, growing rapidly and with the potential to become the largest single group on the web worldwide.

Yahoo has already arranged with the Chinese government.
(When) Will Google and Altavista follow?

Do we have to assume every international search engine going to and staying online in China offers a localized version of their serps?

Zaccix




msg:35509
 4:28 pm on Sep 11, 2002 (gmt 0)

From reading this thread (all the way through so far), it seems as if someone is eavesdropping on this thread, waiting for new ways to access Google to be posted so that he/she can pass them on to be blocked. Maybe the Chinese-based posters in this thread could get together and set up a way to share ideas for accessing Google, away from the public eye.

Censorship like this makes me sick.

Ailin




msg:35510
 12:05 am on Sep 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

We just tried www.google.com this morning in my office, and it W O R K S! Hope this isn't temporary.

Anyone else in China able to get into google again?

larocca




msg:35511
 1:55 am on Sep 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

The only difference I've noticed in terms of content between Google and other searches is that Google is more likely to give me what I actually need for my lesson plans instead of commercials and such.

Regarding all the banned and painful things you can find through Google, they're on the non-blocked sites as well. I do believe it's that cache feature that got Google in trouble.

If I had to guess, the Chinese search engine companies were complaining that Google is taking their business. They were ignored. Then someone at one of these businesses saw the relevance of the cache feature, mentioned it to the government, and BOOM!

I found the cache feature useful because the Miami Herald is blocked, and I enjoy reading Dave Barry's columns. I can click that little cache button and see how Dave's column looked the last time Google spidered it. Kinda defeats the whole purpose of blocking sites in the first place, doesn't it?

I wouldn't mind if Google created a special no-cache version just for Chinese users. I miss its organization more than I do the occassional peek into a blocked site. Their algorithm does produce the most relevant results.

Michael

TiDob




msg:35512
 1:56 am on Sep 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

I have access to www.google.com too... ;-P

Anyway, google.icq.com always worked...

Did they wait for Sept. 11th to be over?

larocca




msg:35513
 1:57 am on Sep 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Right after writing my previous message, I saw that someone was able to get into Google. So am I, but the cache feature is disabled. A fair and equitable solution, I suppose. The alternates that we all discovered during the block (Comet and ICQ) still have a cache feature.

Michael

heini




msg:35514
 8:20 am on Sep 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

So if that gets confirmed over the next days and weeks we probably know how the arrangement between Google and Chinese authorities works.

Any news about Altavista?

jackofalltrades




msg:35515
 10:05 am on Sep 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

article on the BBC re: Alta Vista´s

[news.bbc.co.uk...]

bathrobe




msg:35516
 11:20 am on Sep 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Yes, I seem to be getting Google, too -- with the cache feature. I, too, hope it's not a flash in the pan.

xcandyman




msg:35517
 1:34 pm on Sep 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Its Official ( Kinda )

[cnn.com...]

Steve

vitaplease




msg:35518
 1:47 pm on Sep 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Well if things are now finally settled for the good, then publicity wise this is the best thing in ages to have overcome Google.

Check in Google news for "Google" and you are swamped with articles on China and banning/debanning.

Mike_Mackin




msg:35519
 2:00 pm on Sep 12, 2002 (gmt 0)

Lots of differing info
Washington Post [washingtonpost.com]

muesli




msg:35520
 3:20 pm on Sep 12, 2002 (gmt 0)
associated press reports that the ban on google has been lifted today but altavista and others are still blocked. source: http://futurezone.orf.at/futurezone.orf?read=detail&id=130121 (in german).
littleman




msg:35521
 8:01 am on Sep 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

In an NPR interviewed earlier today an American in China said that google is now being allowed, but Alta Vista is still blocked.

Omni




msg:35522
 10:17 am on Sep 13, 2002 (gmt 0)

[theregister.co.uk...]

bathrobe




msg:35523
 9:45 pm on Sep 14, 2002 (gmt 0)

I'm noticing some strange behaviour with Google in China. I'm not sure where the problem lies, but I suspect it's more related to the network than to bugs in my computer or its software.

First, I've noticed that after searching on Google for a while I start getting 'document empty' notices. It's as though a limit has been placed on the number of searches I can do. If I disconnect and dial up again (I'm on a dial-up connection) I can get Google again without any trouble.

Secondly, I just did a search on jiang xiaosong (this is a different search from jiang zemin, but turns up some jiang zemin results). On the second page the results cut out in the middle of the page - the bottom of the page was simply missing. No further searches were possible, no matter what the topic. Dialling up again resolved the problem.

The goons appear to be resorting to different methods of controlling what you can get.

Incidentally, China's entry to the WTO is supposed to make it more 'transparent'. Cutting off the major Internet search engine without any announcement and diverting users to alternative search engines without any clear legal basis is not actually a model of transparency.

Ailin




msg:35524
 5:48 am on Sep 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

Well, we're getting censored results too.

You get no results if you search for Falun Gong or Tibet.

And I've also noticed that the cache feature is selectively disabled. I did a search on "Jiang Zemin". I could look at the cache from the English version of the People's Daily, but not from a website created by the Falun Gong. In fact, most of the caches seemed disabled. Nowadays, I can never seem to look at caches anymore.

Bathrobe, I'm right with you there with regards to the WTO.

Helpmebe1




msg:35525
 10:15 am on Oct 5, 2002 (gmt 0)

I can get to China from Google! :) Virtually, of course..

Rumbas




msg:35526
 10:16 am on Nov 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

Aparrently you can't reach Jubii.dk from China either.

Source: Copenhagen Post [cphpost.periskop.dk]

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