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Google votes to put surfers in charge
Ok so its not breaking...but it finally made the news..

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Msg#: 5199 posted 6:18 pm on Nov 27, 2001 (gmt 0)

Battles have seesawed for years between search engines intent on providing unbiased listings and companies seeking top placement in results--that is, a bias in their favor. Now, Google is engaged in a controversial experiment aimed at giving its users a say in ranking the top sites, a move that could help the company either cement or squander its lead in the competitive search market.

This is nothing new to our members but its still an interesting read. Looks as though the authors might have done some research here...


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WebmasterWorld Administrator ianturner us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member

Msg#: 5199 posted 10:00 pm on Nov 27, 2001 (gmt 0)

Is it true that paid listings are being investigated by Federal regulators? does anyone have any further info on this?


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Msg#: 5199 posted 10:28 pm on Nov 27, 2001 (gmt 0)

Commercial Alert, a 3-year-old group founded by consumer activist Ralph Nader, asked the FTC to investigate whether eight of the Web's largest search engines are violating federal laws against deceptive advertising.

The group alleges that the search engines are abandoning objective formulas to determine the order of their listed results, and selling the top spots to the highest bidders without making adequate disclosures to Web surfers.



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Msg#: 5199 posted 10:44 pm on Nov 27, 2001 (gmt 0)

"...By late Monday afternoon, three of the search engines had responded to The Associated Press' inquiries about the complaint. Two, LookSmart and AltaVista, denied the charges. Microsoft spokesman Matt Pilla said MSN is delivering ``compelling search results that people want..."

So now MS tells us we want auction bids in our SERPS. Did MS ever ask anybody that.. they didn't ask me...


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Msg#: 5199 posted 11:34 pm on Nov 27, 2001 (gmt 0)

If they had asked me, I would have said 'I love paid for results, keep em coming'

But then I just want MSN to die as quickly as possible, I hate paying for results and anything that drives users to Google and the other 'goodish' guys is good for me:)


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Msg#: 5199 posted 8:10 am on Nov 28, 2001 (gmt 0)

"Whether it works or not, Google's effort is one of the boldest attempts so far..."

Count me dumb but I don't get it. Why is it such a bold move? Web page voting systems such as the one the article refers to have been tried and are used all over the Web, usually by those dinky little quasi-portals, hubs, and localized sites you submit to in the hope some engine will give your link some weight.

They're generally cheesy, forgotten directories one tends to stumble across two years after someone last clicked a "Vote for this site" link.

"But as Google toys with new, nonmathematical checks, it has unleashed concerns that it will simply open itself up to new problems."

I don't think Google is neglecting or will ever neglect the math. There's way too much at stake. However, what exactly is different about its 'experiment'?

They're not saying, everybody is speculating, and ZDNet is indulging in fluff. When they resort to "...It uses secret mathematical formulas to automatically rank Web sites...", you know the news is not exactly hard.


"Google has always tried to be user aware and...known for its relevant results," she added. "But now it's starting to get junky. And in order to manage that, they need help from users."

I don't buy Dana Todd's skewed pronouncement that Google's results are "...starting to get junky." Nor do they need the help of their users. That sort of stuff is PR-speak.

Which leads me to the two questions that nag most:

Google is already the best at fighting spam. So why complicate the issue by introducing spam-fighting tools impacting on relevance?

Is there not a distinct possibility that this whole thing is just PR designed to up the feel-good factor among users and add greater warmth to the fuzzy wuzzies?

It is just PR. Isn't it?


Ok, that's four questions but you know what I mean. I want answers...:)


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Msg#: 5199 posted 7:25 pm on Jan 8, 2002 (gmt 0)

Consider this:

On another thread, I read somewhere that the Google voting buttons were not sending any information. possibly a beta-bug, possibly not. It would lead me to believe that this IS all sort of a user feel-good fest.

I like clicking little buttons.
especially ones with cute little faces on them...


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