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PR0 on internal pages: more common?
Coming across numerous instances of PR0

 11:50 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Has anyone else noticed a proliferation of sites that have PR0 on internal pages, but other URLs on the same site are left intact? I seem to have noticed it more since the last update.

Not any of mine thankfully:) Anyone else see this?



 4:48 am on Aug 27, 2002 (gmt 0)


just saw one. the main site is a pr4, and by the time you dig down a few levels it is pr0.


 9:50 am on Aug 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

Yes, I can see it on a page of mine. :-( The homepage has PR5, but any other page got PR0. I did a complete update of the whole site in the past weeks; and the site has inbound links just from two different sites, and both are on the same IP.

I think, Google decreases the PR value your homepage can give to its subpages, when there are just a few inbound links.

P.S: Hello to everybody. This is my first posting here, but I've been following some discussions for several months.


 11:15 am on Aug 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

[sidebar]Hello Herr Fischerlaender, nice to see you here[/sidebar]


 11:31 am on Aug 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

Welcome to WebmasterWorld and the Google forum, Fischerlaender.

That must be another site, your profile site seems to have good PR on the interior pages. I've heard of a few instances with new sites where the index page was PR5 and the others PR0 at first. With those, I'd guess it'll hopefully adjust by next month.

>dig down a few levels it is pr0.
I've seen that for a while, it seems to be a natural decrease farther away from the homepage.

The way I picture it in very simplistic terms is that a homepage can be the equivalent of $5.75 or $5.05 depending on the number and PR of incoming links. If it's 5.75 the next level can be a bit over 5, but if it's 5.05 it'll be less further in. That's how I try to gauge whether they're a high or a low PR5, by looking at the levels down. Not very scientific, but it's as accurate an estimate as I can come up with.

>>proliferation of sites that have PR0 on internal pages, but other URLs on the same site are left intact? I seem to have noticed it more

Not too many feeder, but I have noticed it more than before. One site I was working on last night has a number of pages accidentally left on the server, though they're not linked. The homepage is PR5 (was 6 last month), next in - pagename1.htm is also PR5, and pagename2.htm is almost identical to 1 but not linked - it's PR0, though none of the other site pages are. pagename2.htm does link to the other pages and has the extreme tracker on it, so it's there in open stats. This is a case of being close enough to be a duplicate page, I'm assuming that's a related issue. Someone was asking in this forum about percentages for duplication, I'll have to check these pages out to see what it shows.

Also, 2.htm was ranking with Inktomi until this last update, now it's gone and 1.htm is ranking, but lower (density difference on the page).

I'll have to get in and clean that and others off, it's high time to clean house to be on the safe side. I've heard of a few cases of duplicates causing complications. It may be - just a guess - that it's time to be more careful about what may seem to be duplicates.


 11:53 am on Aug 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

I've found this very common on 'new entries': I'm finding it takes 2 updates for a site to completely gain whatever pagerank it should have...



 11:57 am on Aug 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

I've found this very common on 'new entries': I'm finding it takes 2 updates for a site to completely gain whatever pagerank it should have...

Its nice to know that its not just me. Thanks for the info.


 12:05 pm on Aug 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

Welcome to WebmasterWorld Fischerlaender.

As Marcia and Nick point out, the PageRank doesn't always flow down through the site on the first update. I find it does if the content went up at or just before the previous update, so Google had a whole cycle to crawl and index it.

The natural decrease Marcia mentions is very common, just because so many sites get their PageRank via the home page. Because Google seems to crawl down to about minus 3 or 4 on the Toolbar scale (by my own calculations) there can be a lot of pages with PR0.

Some people have an 'internal PR penalty' which is usually just that the home page can be given PR, but not pass it on. This is rare, though. Most PR0 URLs are 'natural PR0'.


 12:19 pm on Aug 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

It's really possible that Google knows the subpages, but doesn't know the links from the homepage. Of course, Google would then assign PR 0 to them.

no it's not the site in the profile. That would be embarrrassing - Germany's big SEO-Site punished to PR 0 ;-)


 10:35 pm on Aug 29, 2002 (gmt 0)

I've seen a site with PR0 on an internal page. All other pages had PR and it was a small site. There appeared nothing dubious about it, it wasn't duplicated or isolated.

Just curious....surely page rank should have flowed to that page as well?

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 1:04 am on Aug 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

I have one site with such a PR0 it is PR 8 (homepage) and most main pages are PR4/5/6 but we have around 10,000 pages in total and close to 40% or so must be PR 0.

I am not sure why as they are all valid content.


 4:31 am on Aug 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

Had an incident of a PR0 on one page on our major site in the last couple of days as well - very puzzling. Home page has PR6, all of the pages linked to the home page have PR 6 (even our privacy and terms pages).

This one page (also linked to home) has PR0. The page was PR6 up until a few days ago... The page isn't anything out of the ordinary, content rich article on a standard template.

and I just got off Valium, oh well back to the doctors office for me ... :0).


 5:38 am on Aug 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

Are these PR0 pages fairly new or close to being duplicates of others?


 5:53 am on Aug 30, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi Marcia,

In my case, the page has original content, but I do allow for my articles to be republished - but I've never had this arrangement negatively affect me before. The page is just over a month old.


 11:13 am on Aug 31, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hello Everyone

I just discovered something very strange on my English and German web sites - two internal pages have PR0 both on my English and my German web site (two different IPs and two separated web sites) without any obvious reasons. These two pages are among nearly 200 (on each language version) text rich articles on this subdirectory. All other articles in this subdirectory are OK with a PR of 4/5 or at least 3. All articles are imbedded in the same way in the navigation structure. The German and the English sites use the same directory/file names. The two pages with PR0 were added in early August - other articles that I added before or after that time are OK.

I am worried and wrote an e-mail to Google with little hope of getting more than an automated reply.

Can anybody tell me if webmaster@google.com is the best e-mail address to contact Google with PR0 issues?

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