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PR0, why?

 7:46 pm on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

I am trying to work out why I have been given a PRO in last two updates.

It stuck me that
1 I have recently paid for a keyword with <snip> search engine. I checked just now and Probot which has a PRO. Could this be damaging me in Googles eyes?
I note that <snip> has a lot of pages indexed by Google.
Is Probot considered a link farm/bad neighbourhood?

2 I have been also started recently providing several links to <snip> on internal pages. These generate popups for site visitors and effectively boost my traffic. However if this going to give me "negative points/penalty" from Google then I'll dump them quickly.

Help would be appreciated

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 7:51 pm (utc) on Aug. 23, 2002]
[edit reason] see the charter - no spam finger pointing please. [/edit]



 7:53 pm on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

I sure don't see how that could be in any way a problem.


 7:59 pm on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

Welcome to WebmasterWorld.

Paying a search engine for a keyword won't have a negative effect on your positioning at Google. I don't know what Probot is, but if it's they who have a lot of pages indexed at Google, then they would not be considered a bad neighborhood, otherwise they would not be in Google. Popups don't affect Google placement. If places your site links to are suffering a PR0 penalty, then get rid of those links. I assume by PR0, you have a white toolbar, not a gray one, right? If you have been in the Google index for about a month total, then don't get excited. The PR calculations for the update underway now won't settle down for a few days yet, you might see PR when it's done. And do you have links into your site from other sites that have PR?


 8:00 pm on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)



 8:23 pm on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

Thanks Beach Boy
Ive been out of index for last two updates. Was previously PR6 now white on my toolbar.(PR0)

I'm tying to eliminate possible penalty reasons hence my question.
Thanks for the answer. I may have to think of other reasons now.


 8:40 pm on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

I'm going to step out on a limb here and say that it is possible that you received a penalty because of a certain program you are promoting and possibly using. I cannot provide you with evidence that this is so. But, we've done enough SEO website reviews in the past 90 days and have noticed a commonality with some of the PR0 sites and it has to do with a particular program.

In Google's eyes, you may be linking to a bad neighborhood. ;)


 8:54 pm on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

It sure is funny how often that program seems to come up when someone is complaining about a PR0 penalty.


 8:57 pm on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

I'd be willing to bet that someone is checking their positions and has the URL Verification feature checked. That will get you a PR0 penalty the first time you do it!


 9:09 pm on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)


Good point. I didn't think Google would be so childish.
This program I a promoting could be the reason. Its only in last few months that I have added the affilate links for it.

Interestingly just days hours even before being "greyed" from PR6 back at end July I got a page in at No3 for the keyphrase "we.... gold" in www2 database. Good eh!
When the switch came I was grey and nowhere to be seen.
Suprising or what. I was sick as yu might imagine.

I will be removing this link ASAP. Its not worth the loss of Google's favor.


 9:17 pm on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

Ckeck the No. 1 site in Google if you type in exactly that program's name in Google. Looks gray to me...:)


 9:34 pm on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

That site has been out of the G database for some time now. It has what I refer to as terminal illness.


 9:34 pm on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

I mean web... g...
But sorry , only seems to be like that on my German Google which hasn't been updated yet. I don't understand what's going on but it seems to be the reason for your PR0.

[edited by: bluemi at 9:39 pm (utc) on Aug. 23, 2002]


 9:38 pm on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

From what I've been reading on this forum I think it may be bad news to even look for that site in Google with the Toolbar Google enabled.

I will take your word for it.


 9:48 pm on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

Your first post...

> I am trying to work out why I have been given a PRO in last two updates.

A recent post...

> Its only in last few months that I have added the affilate links for it.

Coincidental? I don't think so. Is Google crawling your site? If so, is it only looking for one page? If so, 1 + 1 + 1 = 3.


 10:19 pm on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)


The Googlebot has not visited me around the time I was greyed. Last visit around 20th july.(Total visits to all pages 19543)
I noted that Googlebot visited 536 pages almost within hours and I think after I was greyed back in July. In hindsight perhaps it was removing pages from its index in that crawl?

You seem very clued up on this...so can I ask you advise.

I'm currently grey now...I have now removed the wpg references from my site.

Do you think Googlebot will come back, I have enough inward links? or should I start again?



 10:43 pm on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

I believe Google is crawling now and will be over the next few days. If you see Google in your logs, keep an eye on the activity and see if anything changes, like more pages being indexed. You won't make this update, but you'll be ready for the next. Only thing I can say is to keep your fingers crossed and hope that Googlebot see's that the offending content has been removed. Be absolutely sure that you have no other links or mention of what you've removed.

I've been gray for a couple of years now! ;)


 12:00 am on Aug 24, 2002 (gmt 0)


My experience with PR0 is limited to lurking here, (but I do a lot of lurking :) ), and I for one would start all over with a new domain the same day I got PR0, if that ever happened. It seems that the only way to get rid of PR0 is if you are lucky enough to have Googleguy have a look at your site and remove the penalty by hand.


 8:43 am on Aug 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

Thanks for that. I'll wait and give it another update now I've removed references and hope. It would be shame to give up 3 years work.

Ive always considered Google fair so now I know the rules I won't fall into the trap again.
Heres hoping


 4:21 pm on Aug 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

Google's PR system makes absolutely no sense to me. I run a medical transcription reference website, no advertising except for an affiliate program to sell books, and my main page has PR1. I don't really care that the PR is so low, because I don't sell ads and don't plan to. Another page which links to my articles and books has PR3.

But here's the really weird thing. Two other people and I are working on building another website, for which the domain name is in the process of being transferred to us, and while we're waiting we are playing around with example design pages, etc. The day before yesterday, I put up one of these example pages on my site. No one except the three of us knows the page is there, and it is not linked to the rest of the site. Yet it has PR3!

Is there any possible explanation for this?


 6:09 pm on Aug 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

Tony, i'm in a very similiar position as you right now. In July my site (The same drug you are marketing I believe) was a PR6 with a top 5 ranking. However I have had a PR0 for the last few updates. I think I am going to give it one or two more updates, and if the site still has a PR0, I will migrate to a new domain.


 6:45 pm on Aug 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

I have 4 new sites that seem to have been PR0'ed. It is the first time in the index for these site. They only link to each other plus one other site with a PR2 that has been in the index for 10 months.
The content is different on every site and mostly text of 3 short pages. No redirects. I know the update has not settled yet but I have my doubts the PR0's will change to PR4 or better when it is settled. Can someone offer some advise please? I am very frustrated and confused with Google.

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