| 6:17 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)|
The kw stuff and hidden text "spam" is mostly dealt with by the algo. PR is the gate keeper and cornerstone of the whole system. So, the threat to PR is where the anti-spam efforts have to focus as the "source of all spam". Take care of PR, and everything else takes care of itself.
| 6:19 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)|
(in the voice of the comic book guy from the simpsons)
Worst Update Ever!
| 6:25 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Brett I had a PR4 before this update and was listed very good on great keywords now Im totaly out with no links to me and I know there are a few big names linking to me, that must be some kind of glitch in the sytem you dont see that on AV that a page for no reason get lost I know AV search results are not that great, but I have seen many here on this page that had this problem and then they had to wait a month to see IF they get there PR back and there good ranking.
| 6:35 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)|
|Internet Marketing M|
| 6:47 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)|
If What I am looking at is accurate, this is by far the worst update ever in histroy. Wait till you see this! It will blow your mind!
Go to www2.google.com search <snip search phrase>. OH MY GOD.
Check the cache of #1. Pure spam, now redirects to a new site.
Same with #2
5 is a copy of 4 in the cache, which now has a new front on it.
6 now autforwards to an affiliate link
9 is the same spam (check the cache) now autoforwards to an affilate link.
10 OH MY GOD! "<snip content from page>..." Check the cache vs the page there now!
The purest most horrible spam I have ever seen ever! Check the cache!
In summary, this is by far the worst update ever in history. I don't know what they are doing, but inktomi looks great compared to this, and that is sad!
[edited by: ciml at 10:00 am (utc) on Aug. 23, 2002]
[edit reason] No specific spam reports please. [/edit]
| 6:49 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)|
If I look at my cache from the page before update and the new the cache pages has a different color of text then it is showed on the real page and that make my box at the top of my page look like a big black box with black text, but it is only in my cache not the real page and it is on the new cache and old now, why? I dont hope that that has anything to do with my 0PR now.
| 6:52 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Im rather happy with this update, no major changes with my sites just a few new ones which should be in next time around. Existing sites are doing just fine some even better for those which didnt rank #1 already.
| 6:57 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)|
OK I just found another site with black back grund and there text is white, but also here the text is black in the cache, so it look like the page is almost totaly blake, but still only in the cache.
| 7:06 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)|
The Cache problem is because of Netscape browser it makes the text black, but I have to use Netscape because with explore my DSL takes a pause every 5 min.
| 7:19 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Internet Marketing M,
If that is worst spam you have seen - there is a problem.
EVERY ONE OF THE TOP 10 SITES is about the keyword you mentioned - except for the last one.
Just becuase they are affiliate sites - or have something different in the cache - doesn't make it spam.
Users do not check the cache for spam checking.
Every one of the sites clearly says what it is in the title as well - except for the last one.
| 7:19 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)|
The positions are still changing quite a bit on www.
CDW is back on top for "discount computers"
Looks like the dance is still going on. We should stop already, my feet hurt. ;)
| 7:25 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Please - we do not point out specific sites. This is unprofessional, not what this board is about and to no benefit to the members.
Also you never know when somebody points out YOUR site.
| 7:27 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Oh and as far as inktomi (checked hotbot) being better - for that keyword - there are 6 of the top 10 sites doing the same thing - selling it.
2 of the top 10 don't even work.
| 7:28 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)|
I am starting to agree with the negative comments. :( It originally looked good, but now we have slipped and given way to a couple of spammy affiliate sites. If Google is giving PR less importance I think they are on a slippery slope to end up like Inktomi. PR should still be the cornerstone in their algo IMO, even if it is now being traded, because the worst spammers don't have any PR to speak of...yet.
| 7:30 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)|
>> Take care of PR, and everything else takes care of itself.>>
I wish that was true. It looks like links beats PR. My site is a solid PR6 and is now being beat by a pr3. A competitor now has 6 affiliate/doorways in the top 15. There is also a pay per click page that I have know Idea who it belongs to and a directory page giving its search results for this keyword phrase. Oh, I can't forget the two ebay redirects.
My site has maintained top 10 for this phrase for the last 2 years. Each month for the last three more junk has crept in. Unless something changes soon this one will be the worst index for retail shopping I have seen.
My-customers/Google-users should not have to click thru the same site 6 times. If these kinds of shopping phrases continue to deteriate customers will do there searching elsewhere and advertising dollars will go down for google.
| 10:19 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)|
It looks like all-the-inktomi-spammers.com came over to google after aol switched to google. This is the spammiest I've ever seen google, and if they don't fix it they will crash and burn like all the others.
| 11:22 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)|
I thought Google didnt allow sites to be included that had pop up/under ads on them.
Obviously they have kicked that filter into touch coz my computer has just been hijacked by at least 8 pop ups/behinds/unders/overs/anywhere :(
| 11:28 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Something I dont understand... How is our PR6 site (for the new update) getting beat by a PR4 site that is almost brand new and site is hardly optimized....
| 11:30 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Was beginning to doubt I'd ever see this day. It looks like we are back from the PR wasteland. The site is showing for its main phrases in www, although nothing has happened to directory PR yet. Backlinks are showing in www.
Fingers crossed, but if this is the real deal, my life is complete (until tomorrow at least ;) ) Thanks to all the WebmasterWorld'ers who have given help, support and the odd p***-taking comment.
| 11:36 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)|
gotta agree that so far this update is awful. hopefully it's not over and google redeems itself
*keeping my fingers crossed*
| 11:56 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)|
I must say I am quite new to watching the Google update and do so with half interest as there is nothing we can really do now at least.
Isn't it better to wait until the update is finished before slamming google and the update. I am still seeing changes in pr on some sites, different results on 2 + 3 etc.
One thing I will say though and somebody brought my attention to it in another post. Spam maybe bad but they update their pages a lot. Could this possibly be a reason, that in the new algo, the most updated, and perhaps even frequently updated pages are given slightly more weight than in the past.
| 1:00 am on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)|
|I thought Google didnt allow sites to be included that had pop up/under ads on them. |
You thought wrong. Really, really wrong. Google has never banned sites for having pop-ups/unders -- it just refuses to have any of its own.
| 1:28 am on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)|
I have also noticed some hyphenated keyword domains moving up in ranking. And there is definitley more doorway domain and doorway page action appearing on google. Not good. I own a bunch of very important hyphenated domains and have been sitting on them to see how google is going to treat them before I start branching from my main domain.
But the bottom line for me is going from #12 to #1! PR4 to PR5 and www3 isn't showing half of my new links yet!
And all this while on vacation in CA. Maybe googlebot can feel my vibes better from here!
Hope it all holds,
| 2:13 am on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)|
i may be wrong, but I have always assumed that the value of PR only kicks in towards the end of the update. Therefore what you see at the start in ww2 and ww3 is rankings based on incoming link text and on page factors only.
Im also seeing PR starting to kick in on my daily check today, compared to my 2 earlier checks of the update. Some of our established sites seemed to be downranked to new sites early, but now in searches where www, 2 and 3 are almost the same they have now recovered.
That may explain why people see spam results on ww1 and www2 early.
Seeing PR is an important factor in the quality of Google results If my assumption is correct its another reason to hold off judgement for a few days, and not to build much into 2 and 3 results especially in established and highly competitive areas until it all hits www and settles down.
| 4:02 am on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)|
I can't believe it. Something weird has happened! I don't know why my entire 130+ page site is in the update because Googlebot only got a few pages in the last month and a half. That's really weird. But I'm happy!
Thanks to Webmaster World, I've moved into the top ten for my main kw of 'music publishing', and I even passed up Sony. So, you really can get things done if you follow the advice here and work hard. This is my first site, and I've only been doing it since February. By the time I hit the one year mark, it should be doing really well. Thanks again WW!
| 5:19 am on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)|
chiyo although this may not be accurate, I have noticed when at www2 or 3 and clicking through to site pages a residual PR effect occurs.
After you click around your site for a while the googlebar will revert back to PR from www.
Have also notice this effect in google directory when preceeding from www2. or 3 directly, after a while it revert to www. PR values.
This doesn't make it true, just an observation and maybe an explanation why PR jumps around.
| 8:14 am on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)|
I seldom contribute to this particular monthly thread, partly because it's a dangerous game assuming the new index until the dance has finished. I've made a fool of myself of more than one occasion.
However, I would certainly concur with many of the comments this time around. Google has made a change and it has reduced the quality of the index. I don't think it is a massive degradation, but it is there and it is noticable.
I've had a rumage around but can't really get to the bottom of what they have done. Could be various things.
Whatever it is should really be reversed out. Tell the engineers to file it under failed pilot study, or similar.
| 8:40 am on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)|
One thing I've noticed after coming here month after month is how the new index is always one person's idea of Heaven and another, Hell. For me - it's a good one finally! Especially with the amount of work I've put into my sites. I'm chuffed that GoogleBot agrees with me that my sites NEEDED to be higher in the index ;) Just kidding....
Yes, problems still remain and there is a horribly spammy site on the frontpage with a major shopping keyword - but nothing is ever perfect.
| 10:18 am on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Nice update for me, pretty much stayed the same which is good. I read where someone asked about popups/unders. Google has no problem with those. What does real good for me is having sites listed in DMOZ linking to my site with keyword in text.
| 11:00 am on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)|
I have never tried that before, but when I in Google drectory push the link in the green bar I come to a site outsite Google cald dictionary.com with the same keyword search, is that normal it is a realy bad site.
P.s If we see real changes in the directory the number of pages usualy changes in a lage categorie, right?
| 11:00 am on Aug 23, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Welcome to WebmasterWorld, johnniebry.
(Make sure to read paynt's welcome post [webmasterworld.com])
> What does real good for me is having sites listed in DMOZ linking to my site with keyword in text.
Definitely. Especially if that link text matches the on-page optimisation (title and body text).
> ...one person's idea of Heaven and another, Hell...
Yes, but it's easier to see that if you're in Heaven this month. Otherwise, the problem is Google's poor results.
I think that Google has great results every month.:)