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August 2002 Google Update!

 9:24 am on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

I'm getting different link counts for WebmasterWorld on all three servers....

Note to mods: Please, delete if I'm wrong, I hate it when people cry wolf but I was always told the link counts were the way to tell....




 1:26 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

We're now getting the old results on www, www2, and www3 which I prefer since my main site got slammed in this current update. Maybe I got lucky and they decided to dump it and start over? ;) no such luck...


 1:33 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

nope. I still have my brand new crappy ratings on www2 and www3.

It looks like this time around, googlebot hit domain names that have autoforwarding, cached the page it forwards to, and when it comes to the new domain, it compares the 2 pages, consideres it spam, and dumps it.



 1:50 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

ok, the www2 is now on the www, here.

i see that one of my new site has PR8.
it is listed in google,

but it is listed under some PR3 pages with the same subject, is google not yet finished or what, is this usual after the www2 goes to www?


 1:56 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

I am showing matching results on all 3 now.


 2:08 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

was google always redirecting if you click a result?

if you hold shift and click, you van cleerly result is a redirect.


it just changed again, itnow is straigt url,

i think google want to confuse me.
Google is dooin a good job.


 2:57 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

No migration of www3 to www in central Canada checking Google.com (NOT .ca) at this time (10:00 a.m. GMT -6).


 2:23 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Well. I've been checking Google2 and 3, and there is certainly some movement. I'd like to get excited; I'm doing fine (top 3). But I am now surrounded by spamming competitors: tiny text, hidden text, same colour text on the same colour background.

Now I'm *still* up there with these people, with my honest and content filled site - but what do I do next month when they encroach further -adopt their tactics?

They seem to be getting away with the most flagrant and basic spamming techniques. Reporting them seems like wasted time - by these statistics there must be millions doing the same.

So what precisely is this masterful Googlebot? Does it stand for Google-Robot? I suspect not. I'd like to suggest it is indeed a Google-Bot, the Bot standing for bottom (butt I think to my American friends!)


 2:40 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Are these spammers using keyword1-keyword2.com spam domains? I just did a quick survey and a high percentage of the domains using DASHES were spam. Most domains not using dashes had quality content.


 2:51 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

No - nothing as clever as that - simply lots of hidden keywords.

Very disappointing indeed. Are we back in the 1980s!


 2:59 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Ya, it flipped back here too.

We're doing 1 update thread per month per many member requests to do so.


 3:06 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

I'll agree this update does look a little more spammy. But I think the issue is more affilate type sites are moving up with keyword1-keyword2.com/keyword1-keyword2/keyword1_keyword2.htm pages and pushing down the bigger established companies. the term 'discount computers' is a perfect example. Here a pr3 site pushes a pr8 site to number 2. And I'd say cdw is a better #1 IMHO :). At least they don't have java trying to get me to set them as a favorite when I enter their site ;).

But the question is are these sites better for end user?


 3:10 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

There is NOTHING wrong with dashes in domain names (he repeats, again). It makes them read like plain English... it has NOTHING to do with SEO.

When I create a site I make the name reflect the content and make it readable. It can then be placed in literature, on lorries, on billboards - and the punters will remember it. The dashes break the words and make it sensible.

End of story really. I don't give a monkey's if some spammers have dashes in there - they have a lot of other stuff too. I would give a monkey's if my sites were somehow penalized simply because I care about the none-net world and how memorable the site URL it.


 3:11 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Thanks Yankee I only have domains with dashes


 3:11 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Life is GR8!


 3:13 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hey, on www2 I get overtaken by 2 sites, both using frames and one of them with a toolbar PR of 1! How can that be?


 3:14 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

I don't know if anyone else sees this or not, or explain why this is happening, but for my site, we have hundreds of pages that targeted very specific 2 and 3 keyword phrases. When you search for these keyword phrases, one would expect to see these pages appear, but instead, the homepage is being displayed within the results.

Any idea as to why the main homepage would be displayed instead of the pages that specifically target the 2 and/or 3 keyword phrase search? Is this is good thing or a bad omen?


 3:20 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

I'm not complaining ... my site is still doing very well, but as others have suggested, there is spam all over the place in this update.

Hidden keywords. (White text on white background)
keyword-linked-urls placing high in keyword searches
repitition, repitition, repitition of keywords
doorways with redirects
... the whole ball of (spammy) wax

Not very impresswed with the update this time around. However, Google nailed me (quite rightly) last month for having a duplicate page up. I was testing and forgot to take it down ... (went nuts trying to find what I had done to lose 2 PR points!) ... Found it, removed it and my PR is back up again. :)

It seems PR has very little to do with the serps this time around though. Several sites with PR 1 or 2 are showing in the top search results against sites with PR 6 and even 7??? I think someone suggested some filters may have been removed. I don't know if this is correct or not, but something major has certainly been altered.

Oh well, there's always next month! Never a dull moment with Google.


 3:21 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)


I'm not sure if this is right, but I have this happen sometimes too and I think it's because I have more links to the homepage than to the individual 2-3 targetted word pages so then it has higher authority due to link popularity. Still, I too prefer to have people find the targetted page rather than the home page since they'd have to sift through all the links on the homepage in order to get to the desired page. Yet, it is hard to get external links to a 2-3 targetted word page since if it's focused on a specific model number etc how many sites would want to link to that vs a homepage that has a lot more information?? Anyone know the answer to this one ?


 3:23 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

> Anyone know the answer to this one?

There are many factors involved. Clustering for one. Internal linking within your own site is another factor.


 3:26 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

new pr is not really showing yet, plus update is not over. a little too early for far reaching conclusions I should think.


 3:48 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Right on! This dance aint over.. my PR is going haywire.. jumping all over.. and results are defintely not posted to wwww yet.. I think we need to hang in their.. this is far from over!


 4:11 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

wwww? That's a new one...Is this the one for the September dance? :)


 4:17 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Ok, I am officially confused (as opposed to before).

On www, I am now listed 8th or 16th for one of my key phrases...

My PR is grayed out...

I believe the Google submission page should have some sort of a disclaimer for mental enguish...


 4:19 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Bluemi...Do you turn blue when I strangle you!? :)


 4:30 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

To whom shall I wright when my page has PR0 without any reasons, because it realy looks like my page is totaly out of listing this time, ofcause I will wait untill the update is over.


P.s If they can see the mistake will they change it at ones or first next update.


 4:40 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

O.K., my site disappeared from the last index. Now it shows up in www, but not www2 or www3. Does this mean that I will be in the index next month, or this month? If there was a penalty, has it been lifted? I really don't understand what's happening!

Anybody have some sage advice?


 4:49 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Lot's of SPAM.... and a couple of domains that I work with evidently didn't get spidered this update (I hate that grey tool bar)... Some of my domains went up while others have dropped a couple spots but it appears there are more domains in this index. If it wasn't for the SPAMMY sites, I would say it is a pretty good update.


 4:50 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Helpmebe1, not sure...:o Like this, maybe...


 5:24 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

when you say "duplicate page" do you mean a page on another site that duplicates one of your site's page or a page within one website that is identical to another but has a different name?
(I know this is a bit off the update topic but I saw this and need to know)


 6:12 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Maybe Googles system aint that great after all, I have read many times where pages have been lost or given a PR0 for nothing and all the real spammers are just having a party, this time my page is gonna have a PR0 after the update is finish and I have not made any huge changes to my page, but still when I make a search for my keywords where I was no.1 Im maybe no.1000 now, try to imagine the trouble that could have been for a company that are building the business up so they have a good ranking on SE, but the biggest "Google" has a little ups and the business would not get any income for maybe 1 month.



 6:17 pm on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

>real spammers

Define "spammer".

The kw stuff and hidden text "spam" is mostly dealt with by the algo. PR is the gate keeper and cornerstone of the whole system. So, the threat to PR is where the anti-spam efforts have to focus as the "source of all spam". Take care of PR, and everything else takes care of itself.

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