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August 2002 Google Update!
Nick_W

WebmasterWorld Senior Member nick_w us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 9:24 am on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

I'm getting different link counts for WebmasterWorld on all three servers....

Note to mods: Please, delete if I'm wrong, I hate it when people cry wolf but I was always told the link counts were the way to tell....

Nick

 

rankboy

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 5:56 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

I am seeing the same fluctuating between www,2 & 3 for my keywords also.

hutchins13

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 6:10 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing tons of SPAM on apparel related searches:
keyword-keyword.domain.com/keyword-keyword.html

Most of these pages are apparently affiliate pages for FindWhat, Sprinks, 7search, bay9, etc.

webman

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 6:21 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

I think I choose keywords that are too competitive!

At least I made it to #2 for one of the 10 words I was targeting.

pgrote

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 6:51 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

My site dropped out of the main index except for 10 pages. Those same 10 showing up on www, but they are all there on www2 and www3. Wooo hooo. My DePRession may be over ;-)

ScottM

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 7:07 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Nell:

These are phone orders. He's taking them. They are buying. He fills a niche that the big boys can't even deal with. All are coming from one geographical area of the USA.

Perhaps this is just a fluke...but it lines up just fine with his new position.

In other words: if this is a fluke...then when the dance is over it will only get better.

Added>OT bid is over $3.50...

przero2



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 7:38 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

ODP self-promoted affiliate bookmarked URLs get PR6 for an editor in this update ... The bookmarked URLs are no way connected to the category this editor is responsible for and the bookmarked sites are pure affiliate site that ODP rejects to list.

So, the backdoor to ODP is become an editor and put all your affiliate sites in the bookmarks and the Google will just take that into ranking very happily!. Just confirms my suspicion that ODP is mostly a self-promoted tool by (at least some of) the editors;)

bteeter

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 7:39 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Not much changed for us so far this update. Our corporate site picked up a couple dozen more pages, and about as many inbound links.

Probably the only change of significance is having a new site listed in the index. I doubt it will list highly the first time around, but at least its listed. :-)

I have to agree with an earlier poster's comments that a lot of completely unrelated pages are showing up for searches. They are generally from sites with real, real high PR like Microsoft.com that are only vaguely related to the topic searched on. It seems that PR means more than relevance this go round, but I could be wrong.

Take care,

Brian

nancyb

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Msg#: 4925 posted 8:12 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Ohmygawd! I'm back in!

Not where I used to be those many months ago, but I can't expect that since I've changed so many things in the interium. But #1 and #3 for two of my main kw phrases and that is in www where I was nowhere to be found - even yesterday.

Ranks aren't quite that good in w2 and w3, but I'm in there.

The strange thing is that listings are better in www (where I haven't been for a long time) than w2 and w3 and site is 'fresh' in www.

Joyful glee, happy happy happy, wheeeeeee.....

xMadx

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 8:17 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hello,

It's seem that domain name are more important in this update.
Sites like www.keyword-keyword.com with a PR3-4 have higher positions than sites with PR5-6.
Ex : hotel miami in www and www2,3

nancyb

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 8:23 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Has anyone else noticed that changes are happening in www?

Minutes after I posted above, I checked the phrases again and I'd moved up to #2 from #3 on two of them but still on pages 2-3 in w2 and w3. I've never noticed this before during the dance.

Giacomo

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 8:24 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Can you explain me why I can never see any difference between www2 and www3, no matter what keywords I use, during the dance?

(This is true for both link and rank checking).

[edited by: Giacomo at 8:26 pm (utc) on Aug. 21, 2002]

Marcia

WebmasterWorld Senior Member marcia us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 8:25 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Congratulations Nancy, you've been fighting a long battle with this.

hutchins13, I think you may be seeing the same ones I am, but it looks to me like the ones I've seen are for PR boosting purposes - with a little JS redirection thrown in for good measure. That type of thing is not holding up too well this update, though.

PaulPaul

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 8:32 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Very interesting, just as others have previously stated. Domain Names are the #1 variable in the new Google algo.

Check out: discount computers, in Google on www, and www2 or www3.

CDW, is probably not very happy with this new algo. They probably need to expand the acronynm in the Site Title. :)

Personally, I am not convinced this is an appropriate algo. Obviously, the Domain Name probably has a lot to do with the a search on the Domains kw's. But, conversely not necessarily anything to do with site popularity, or quality.

Your thoughts and Opinions?

[edited by: PaulPaul at 8:33 pm (utc) on Aug. 21, 2002]

Giacomo

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 8:32 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Congratulations Nancy, you've been fighting a long battle with this.

Hehe, sometimes I feel like I'm reading the Alcoholics Anonymous forum here... ;)

PS: Welcome back, Nancy. :)

xMadx

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 8:38 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

PaulPaul, I agree with you this new algo sucks !
Today using domain name is not revelent, popularity and backward links are a better method.
So now I will buy new domain name ;-) pfff

Giacomo

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 8:39 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Check out: discount computers, in Google on www, and www2 or www3.

Again, I can't see any difference between www2 and www3. Can you?

Domain Names are the #1 variable in the new Google algo.

Oh yeah? Better get that buy-widgets-lowest-prices-best-service-online-shop.com domain name right away then! ;)

Seriously, the dance has just started; I would wait for the update to settle before talking about a "new algo".

liquidstar

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 8:41 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

i agree. it always seems that there is hysteria about a new formula then things settle down and all is well.

xMadx

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 8:45 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Last month it was the same, domain name play a bigger role.
Check keywords : hotel paris
Sites at position 4 & 5 have only a PR4 and only few backward links and after you will find some sites with a PR5.

Giacomo

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 8:57 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

I FOUND MY MAGIC FORMULA!

I love the dance because it brings back a bit of good old superstition to an era otherwise pervaded by boring determinism. ;)

Check keywords : hotel paris

Provided that the results are constantly changing and will go on like that for days, these are very competitive keywords: there might be a million reasons why you see different results in the top 10, including old sites being dropped and new sites added to the index.

nancyb

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 9:14 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Thanks Marcia and Giacomo! Soooo happy to be back and now a reg. job and/or booze may not be needed :)

Anybody have any thoughts as to why my site - or any site that's been around for awhile - that wasn't in www above page 10 would now be showing better in www than in w2 or w3??

Do you think this is perhaps because a penalty was lifted and it automatically came back into www where it would have been, but with this update it may end up with listings as in w2 or w3?

I don't want to break my leg jumping for joy at the excellent ranks if I should jump less exuberantly and only break a finger.

PaulPaul

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 9:21 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

"Again, I can't see any difference between www2 and www3. Can you? " (How do I put a box around the quote??)

I meant take your choice :)

Weblamer

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 9:22 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

aaaah! horrible update. :(

one freaky thing that happened to me:

I had an old domain name that we no long use because the name was not very snappy or memorable. So we got a new website and I set up shop there. On the old website, the main page is just a javascript forwarding page to our new site. IE: 'this page has moved, if you are not automatically redirected, then click here...ect ect'

well, my old domain name suddenly popped up as #85, and my new domain has dissapeared from its #1 spot. However, when i look at the google cache of my old domain name IT IS SHOWING THE PAGE IT FORWARDS YOU TO!

what is this nonsense?

xMadx

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 9:23 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

PaulPaul, I don't see any difference between www2 & www3, but between www & www2 or www3 yes

JeremyL

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 9:34 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

I really hope 2 & 3 are way different then the final product. My main keyphrases "cityname keyword" and "cityname keyword-plural" both have a new site running a different doorway for each phrase and coming up #1. These 2 doorways are brand new with pr0 and no links going to them. They are structured [domain.com...] and contain the keyphrase in the first line in H1 tags and then exactly 9 more occurances of the phrase throughout the page. Whats really messed up is all these are is single pages with links with nothing more then some affiliate links on them for sites that have nothing to do with the key phrases. Also their main domain has nothing more then a blank page so the root domain is nothing.

It seems every update google moves more towards keyword density algo's and away from pr and links.

Marcia

WebmasterWorld Senior Member marcia us a WebmasterWorld Top Contributor of All Time 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 9:46 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

There's no way to tell why what's where, it shifts throughout the update. I'm seeing a couple of things but can't be even half certain 'til it settles down.

>sometimes I feel like I'm reading the Alcoholics Anonymous forum here...

It's our support group, isn't it. :)

deltakits



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 9:54 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

How do I put a box around the quote??

Paulpaul

Next to the reply message, click on style codes

[webmasterworld.com...]

MHes

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 10:04 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi

Looooong way to go yet. I'm showing an old title on my home page in www3 and the new title changed last week in www.

Another few days of dancing.

PaulPaul

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 10:32 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

How do I put a box around the quote??

Paulpaul

Next to the reply message, click on style codes

[webmasterworld.com...]

Thank you.

Paul

Giacomo

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 10:52 pm on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

Looks like a slooow update: my bet for the EOD (End Of the Dance) is on the 29th (my b-day). ;)

PaulPaul

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 2:28 am on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

Thanks pageoneresults,

Those that still running WPG, might want to check my recent post @ [webmasterworld.com...]

Paul

dyjewels

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 4925 posted 3:17 am on Aug 22, 2002 (gmt 0)

OH MY GOD! PLEASE HELP ME SOMEONE!

My site went from ranking 2nd page to 11th for an important search term! All pages show NO CACHE in the SERPS, and the back links only show incoming external links, no internal links of any kind! What is happening? Have I been penalized!?!??!

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