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August 2002 Google Update!

 9:24 am on Aug 21, 2002 (gmt 0)

I'm getting different link counts for WebmasterWorld on all three servers....

Note to mods: Please, delete if I'm wrong, I hate it when people cry wolf but I was always told the link counts were the way to tell....




 2:17 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

I still see differences. Eastern US.


 2:17 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Its not over yet where I'm at (Caribbean). www and www2 still showing different results.


 3:59 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

The Netherlands are still dancing.......


 5:14 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

So is Ireland, are the regionals always last to update?


 7:38 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Still differences (Arkansas)


 7:53 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

I have the same top 10, but different totals for sites found. (Texas)


 8:08 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

> I have the same top 10, but different totals for sites found.

Usually a strong indication that the update is complete from your geographical location. The results on www2 and www3 will fluctuate throughout the month due to the daily indexing that occurs. www will remain constant over the next 3 weeks while www2 and www3 will go through constant flux as one member recently described it.

I'll bet you that this thread could continue right into the next update if Brett allows it. This could also end up being the longest ongoing thread at Webmaster World.


 8:20 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

I don't kinow the ramifications for keeping this long a thread, but it would be useful to have just one thread to search through for all the update issues/concerns/questions and answers.

I imagine by the end of Sep/Oct it would be in the hundreds of pages though :)


 9:07 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Looks like we could be in the same boat as you nancyb. Looking great half way through the index with results on the first page, but now nowhere to be seen.

Interesting that the home page has gone up to PR5, with zero on internal pages, and all backlinks are showing. PR in directory is still zero.

Hopefully things will be fully back to normal in the next update. although this is an odd kind of halfway point!


 9:28 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

that is interesting CY. I had high hopes (just like all those ants). I'm still at PR2 and PR0 for internal - still no back links or related though.

The other interesting thing (now that's relative term), is that at the start of the update I was showing on all three w's with a fresh page from 8/20 but now the home page - only page that can be found in the index by search terms (pg 6 or beyond only) - is from 8/6 when the googlebot came around for a deep crawl.

I was wondering if the only reason my site showed up at the beginning of the update was because the penalty filters were temporarilly removed and, now, they are back to haunt the likes of us again. It was so comforting to see my site for a few days and now so frustrating to be gone - again!


 9:34 pm on Aug 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

twin 65, netherlands is finished dancing a lotta ours ago, i think....

my results don't change no more and the meta engines are showing google results. which is good(this month)


 1:49 am on Aug 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

I was way too early to jump on my gray bar! Today I had a quick visit from Google, and now I have a solid PR5! Yes, yes, yes! Yippee!

Thanks all! I thought I was stuck in a permanent PR3. Now the quiestion is how do I make it a PR7?


 12:45 pm on Aug 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

I am still seeing differences on our search terms - www2 & www3 same, but not on www1. Is the dance still going on??


 3:02 pm on Aug 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

Don't understand what happened to my site this update (it's UK hosted). But looks very strange.

Used to have for the last few months:
Level 1 - index page: PR4
Level 2 pages: PR3
Level 3 pages: PR2

Now (well from Saturday 24th):
Level 1: PR4 (and 5 backward links)
Level 2 pages: no PR (it says - page not ranked by Google - which I assume is different than PR0????) These pages all used to be ranked
Level 3 pages: PR3 (But! These pages don't seem to be indexed - i.e. I can only find my index page when performing a Google search)

Some additional pages were created this month and quiet a few amended - but nothing which would have impacted my Google ranking IMHO.

Any suggestions on what might have happended?


 9:43 pm on Aug 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

I don't know if this is SOP for the Google update, but for a some queries I see results on www2 that don't match the current www or the pre-update www. Any explanations?


 10:23 pm on Aug 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

Strange question... Are you using an unusual query when you get different results on the www's?

Strange question from a strange guy :)


 10:35 pm on Aug 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

I'm still seeing different results too.

My site is bouncing between #6 and #7 for my main phrase on www, but is still nowhere to be found for the same search on www2 and www3, but my link count has been updated on www too.



 11:08 pm on Aug 27, 2002 (gmt 0)


It may be that only your index page is indexed for some reason. The PR3 on 3rd level could be explained by the fact that Google assigns PR3 to pages it knows nothing about.

And when you say no PR for level 2, do you mean grey toolbar, or white? Grey would indicate the pages aren't in the index, white would indicate that they are, but have a PR of zero. Which would not necessarily mean a penalty.

Currently my index page is PR5 and my internal pages are PR0. Go figure.


 12:23 am on Aug 28, 2002 (gmt 0)


No, I am not using a strange query and I am still seeing different results. www2 and www3 are the same for my query, but they are not on www.


 1:30 am on Aug 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Thanks for the reply coolshop...

The reason I ask is that last month after the www's had went stable i found that by using more keywords or a stranger query there was a slight difference in the number of results found. I checked the first 5 serps in each www and they where the same so I can only imagine the difference was on the very low end of the serps. but popular searches and single keyword searches where constaint in both serps and results found.


 9:15 am on Aug 28, 2002 (gmt 0)


Many thxs for the reply.

The PR bar for the level1 pages is the same color as the bar background - i.e. light grey. When I hover the mouse over it it says 'current page not ranked by Google'.

As this may indicate that they are not in the index any longer (strange in itself because they ALL used to be) I checked my log files.

Googlebot didn't visit me since June 29. It has just returned on August 26 and visited a couple pages.

Could this be the problem?

And why would the bot stay away this long?


 9:47 am on Aug 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

it's still dancing...Two days ago I added new domain to PR6 page, that domain has been visited by spider yesterday and today is in results. Fastest addition I ever experienced :)


 10:13 am on Aug 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Same here .. Put up a new page just after the dance and its in already... plus ALL my pages have the date - fresh tag on them -- woopie..

So the secret to getting that fresh tag is drastically changing the pages frequently .. lot of work for a big site for such a basic thing!


 10:19 am on Aug 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

I'm not so lucky. I added 3 pages yesterday but they are not crawled.


 6:59 pm on Aug 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

very strange ...., but very good! :) :) :)

I am also back, again, with a fresh date of 8/27, current page cached, same search terms that I used when the upate first started, same serp's returned. Still PR2, no back links and no related so I won't be surprised if I disappear again.

I should quit working all night so I can get up early and have a good day more often ;)


 7:32 pm on Aug 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Congrats nancyb! No such luck for me - oh well, maybe next time eh? :)

scorpi - looks like you've nailed the reason for your missing pages. Why you've not been visited, I couldn't speculate. You'll probably be back next time. Cheers, Cy.


 11:07 pm on Aug 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Lets call that a good "get outta dodge" point.

Things have pretty much settled down. If they haven't, they will shortly.

Time to move on...

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