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50,000 posts!?!
I don't know whether to laugh or cry :)
GoogleGuy




msg:125774
 2:20 am on Aug 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

I noticed that the Google forum just passed 50K posts. How do people feel about splitting it out a little bit--maybe into advertising vs. all else? What do other people think?

 

Mardi_Gras




msg:125775
 2:29 am on Aug 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

I noticed that the Google forum just passed 50K posts

Yeah, but 49K of those were asking if the dance had started yet and the rest were about PR0 ;)

Mardi_Gras




msg:125776
 2:36 am on Aug 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

If by Advertising you mean AdWords, it seems that some of those posts work their way into "PPC engines," but they should all be there.

Page Rank seems to be the major Google topic - including the aforementioned PR0.

I would be happy to see the endless posts about the dance banned, but that's just my personal opinion.

[added]A scroll through recent Google posts shows Zero about the dance...looks like Brett has made some real progress there...[/added]

[edited by: Mardi_Gras at 2:46 am (utc) on Aug. 15, 2002]

przero2




msg:125777
 2:45 am on Aug 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

I am for keeping everything related to google at one place here!. The number of posts only reflects the importance of google and its domination in the search, webmaster world!. Every topic related to google whether it is PR0 or page rank or dance get only the deserved attention. The only separation I could think of is yanking out the false alarms/threads on google dance every month!

Here Googleguy with all the happiness and joyous crying can help by making an official annoucement about the DANCE!

Mardi_Gras




msg:125778
 2:51 am on Aug 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

I am for keeping everything related to google at one place here!.

Including Adwords? Seems to get split now between Google and PPC engines...seems to me PPC engines is a better fit.

I just wonder how many people view the site using the "Recent Posts" list and don't even notice the forum a particular item is posted in?

Mike_Mackin




msg:125779
 3:02 am on Aug 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

>Including Adwords? Seems to get split now between Google and PPC engines...seems to me PPC engines is a better fit.

PPC is a market driven medium.

adwords can be Great but the formula is not market driven bidding.

PS: L$ is not PPC either - imo

Marcia




msg:125780
 3:32 am on Aug 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

>I don't know whether to laugh or cry :)

GoogleGuy, you've got very decent Page Rank, and from what I understand, a healthy number of page views per day. You might as well smile. :)

>into advertising vs. all else

I've been looking at the "all else" a lot and thinking it might be a good thing to take a day or two and dig through all the posts and kind of catalog some that fit into specific subject areas. It even occurred to me to see if a couple of our regulars might want to pitch in and dig out some quality posts that we could somehow reference relative to specific topics, which would make them much easier to find.

What's happened with Google is something like becoming a household word - something like people not buying tissues, they buy Kleenex. They don't buy gelatin dessert, they buy Jello. Regardless of the brand they actually buy, they'll use the best known brand name to describe the product.

What's happened is that people don't look up things at a search engine, they say instead "I did a Google search." 50K posts is an astounding number, this forum absolutely rocks! I believe we're an extension and an integral part of an actual Google culture that's evolved, a sub-culture in itself that we're part of, that seems to be reflected by the number of posts and amount of interest and activity daily.

There's a lot of the "all else" that's really general questions, but for example, instead of asking how to do a good page title, people want to know how to do a good page title for Google. It would be nice to have some kind of system in place to help find things, in addition to the site search, since a lot that's of general benefit in nature ends up in our Google forum because that's the center of most people's focus now.

>advertising

Maybe there could be more coverage of the advertising topic as far as having a strategy for balancing sites' use of both the advertising as well as regular search for getting visibility for their sites. There are probably a lot of people, even those with good regular rankings, who could benefit by adding some advertising to their marketing plan.

Maybe you can help us out with this. Can you think of any subjects or topics related to Google's advertising that it would be helpful for us to have more discussion about?

web_india




msg:125781
 3:38 am on Aug 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

why not offer a google forum search for going through these 50K posts?

indigojo




msg:125782
 4:00 am on Aug 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Googleguy, post a 48 hour imminent update notice a week before ie
***GUYS WE ANTICIPATE WE'LL BE UPDATING WWW2 AND 3 AROUND THE 23RD***
I'm sure that would cut the posts right down, although we could all then sit there guessing the hour rather than the day as it is now.
What'd'ya reckon :)

brotherhood of LAN




msg:125783
 4:19 am on Aug 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

50K posts and we ain't cracking and spamming that algorithm yet? :) Congrats to Google having an SE worth talking about.

If only I could get a free SE that could index 50K docs never mind 2 billion. How things change over a year - make that 2.4 billion - I see Google has some competititon ;)

MHes




msg:125784
 6:38 am on Aug 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

It's a strange 'dance' this month, the 'old timers' have started the endless complaining threads before the newbies have mentioned it ;)

Nick_W




msg:125785
 6:44 am on Aug 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

I'd like to see this:

  • Google newbies
  • Google research
  • Google PR issues

Just my two wooden groats worth ;)

Nick

vitaplease




msg:125786
 7:09 am on Aug 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Unofficial WebmasterWorld press release 1 feb 2003:

Due to Google's three recent changes in public relations and algorithms, WebmasterWorld has found a 50% drop in Google postings for the Jan 2003 month compared to last year.

The three reasons:

1.Improvement on ASI, "Automated Spam-effect Ignorance", instead of the previous undetected Spam system relying heavily on Spam report messages and the famous but ugly "PR0" penalty levy system. Google's previous "Webmaster Dos and Don'ts" page,click here for an old screen shot [google.com] has become history, as nearly all "mechanisms" for artificial high ranking are now neglected or discounted to a "no-effect-no-gain-no-pain-no-penalty" level. Webmasters can now set up as many heavily interlinked and cloaked websites/pages as they wish, stuffed with hidden text, key-phrases in urls, comments, redirects, css tricks and 1x1 pixel links. As of the latest update all these measures have no additional ranking effect within Google.

2. Google has now published their two weekly update dates on their website. Also it has included the deep-crawl dates so that webmasters know when deadlines have to be met.

3. The sort by proximity switch on the main Google search page. As with the Google groups tab, where searchers could choose between "sort by relevance" or "sort by date", Google has added the "sort by proximity" choice on the main Google search page. Zeitgeist had recently already published an overwhelming increase in the amount of multiword search queries of three words or more, and users were complaining that search queries containing very competitive words such as "travel" "free" or "Google" for that matter, yielded results of high Pagerank pages containing these words, but not in proximity related to the search query. With this new option it is not necessary to search for an exact phrase "...". With the sort by proximity Google will rank search results with most proximity of as much of the search query words as possible first. Webmasters of lesser Pageranked sites are also happy with this measure.

In general the above measures taken by Google were more than overdue, as WebmasterWorld had become the unofficial and unpaid Google FAQ/service center for unknown and unclear issues of Google.

nutsandbolts




msg:125787
 8:08 am on Aug 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Funny Mardi_Gras hehe ;)

The only thing which would be funky is some sticky posts at the top for Google Dance reporting, "Does my Geocities site have a 7 pagerank" and is it safe to cross-link 20 of my sites with duplicate content ;)

markd




msg:125788
 9:42 am on Aug 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Interesting to see you're 'counting' and watching the Forum GoogleGuy - I'm sure Brett is pleased by your atttention (strongly resisting the Big Brother references) :)

Please feel free to give us the 'heads up' exclusively on any new advances and goings on at Google.

Marcia




msg:125789
 10:04 am on Aug 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

>I just wonder how many people view the site using the "Recent Posts" list and don't even notice the forum a particular item is posted in?

Good question there, Mardi_Gras!

Why don't you ask that in our Community [webmasterworld.com] forum. It would be interesting to know people's answers to that.

Mardi_Gras




msg:125790
 12:39 pm on Aug 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Mike_Mackin wrote:
adwords can be Great but the formula is not market driven bidding.

Last time I checked my Adwords select bill, I was Paying Per Click. Whether I set the price or the market sets the price, that sounds like PPC to me. ;)

Mardi_Gras




msg:125791
 12:50 pm on Aug 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

I noticed that the Google forum just passed 50K posts.

By the way - I'll save the rest of you some research - that's twice as many posts as both Foo and HTML design, and five times as many as any other forum. Pretty amazing.

Brad




msg:125792
 1:06 pm on Aug 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

I find myself skipping the Google forum when I go down the SE forum list, which I do daily.

I do pick out some threads using recent posts that may be in Google forum.

There is just too much -- stuff. I don't use Adwords. I've read almost every PR0 thread and since we have few hard facts I now just avoid those too.

FlashRed




msg:125793
 2:14 pm on Aug 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Would it make sense to create subforums related to 1. Google crawls and updates, and 2. Google penalties and PR0.

I find that even month there's a huge number of posts related to "yep, the update is occurring" -- which I always read through, but it would possible make it easier if they were group under subforums rather than posts?

Hemsell




msg:125794
 5:18 pm on Aug 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

Marcia said
Todd, please go ahead and post that in that thread, then.

So here it is from [webmasterworld.com...]
I could not find an article I had read before despite an exhaustive search

I saw GoogleGuys suggestion to cut this forum up a bit, I would have to aggree just because finding things in the past postings is so unweildy.
Sifting through 50,000 posts is a nightmare when you are looking for one tiny nugget of valuable info.
It also leads to new and pointless posts like mine here that serve no porpose than to find other posts!

Thanks again,

Todd


pgrote




msg:125795
 5:56 pm on Aug 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

How about just a Google Depression forum?

People can go in there and chat about:

1) Mysterious Page Ranking 0s.
2) Catastrophic index drops.
3) Fatal keyword failures.

lol

I like having everything in one forum. I have learned more from this forum that anywhere else.

mbauser2




msg:125796
 6:38 pm on Aug 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

I think we should split this forum into "Google Loves Me" and "Google Hates Me". That way, the people looking for help don't have to listen to the others gloating.

john316




msg:125797
 6:57 pm on Aug 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

50,000 google posts

Well, Googleguy, maybe you could supply Brett with one of them handy dandy search appliances. He'd probably let ya tweak the algo a bit to delineate the advertising stuff..

I'm sure you couldn't buy any better PR or demo to a more qualified prospect base.

ish




msg:125798
 10:37 pm on Aug 15, 2002 (gmt 0)

how about googlemasterworld.com ;)

WCWH




msg:125799
 6:51 am on Aug 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

Ah heck; I say let's go for a 100k then decide ;)

Marcia




msg:125800
 7:34 am on Aug 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

I think vitaplease is on to something here:

In general the above measures taken by Google were more than overdue, as WebmasterWorld had become the unofficial and unpaid Google FAQ/service center for unknown and unclear issues of Google.

Maybe the time has come to physically move our Google forum over to Google's server. We can set it up as canonicals:

webmasterworld.google.com/adwords/
webmasterworld.google.com/search-engine-optimization/page-titles/
webmasterworld.google.com/search-engine-optimization/meta-tags/
webmasterworld.google.com/search-engine-optimization/keyword-density/
webmasterworld.google.com/search-engine-optimization/link-text/
webmasterworld.google.com/page-rank/
webmasterworld.google.com/googledance/has-it-started/
webmasterworld.google.com/googledance/is-it-over/
webmasterworld.google.com/whining/
webmasterworld.google.com/ranting/
webmasterworld.google.com/snitching/
webmasterworld.google.com/PR0/

You get the drift. We've had one volunteer to help categorize the forum, there we'd have 50 PHDs helping.

Only thing - it would have to be very carefully moderated to watch out for excessive cross-linking, and of course we wouldn't want to see Google get a PR0 for anyone linking out to bad neighborhoods. :)

nutsandbolts




msg:125801
 10:10 am on Aug 17, 2002 (gmt 0)

Only thing - it would have to be very carefully moderated to watch out for excessive cross-linking, and of course we wouldn't want to see Google get a PR0 for anyone linking out to bad neighborhoods.

hehe! :)

Can I mod webmasterworld.google.com/PR0/ ? ;)

Brett_Tabke




msg:125802
 11:58 am on Aug 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

We've had an ongoing conversation this year as to "what to do with Google" and if we should do anything at all. There have been many suggestions, but no consensus for splitting the forums. In that case, I prefer the stability of the current system for the time being. eg: if it aint broke, don't fix it.

>50k

Thank you Google for helping make that possible. For several years, we've invited the search engines into a public discourse and Google was the first to take us up on that offer. We realize that is not without risk.

Most couldn't make GoogleStock last week, and a couple that won't make the WebmasterWorld London get together, so it is nice to put a face on Google here.

I know there were/are many who felt it was just a PR move, but those who've read what you've had to say here know just how far you've push the envelope. I'm sure there are a few raised eyebrowes at the plex from time to time. (wave to the lurking tech crew.)

Thanks Google.

caine




msg:125803
 12:06 pm on Aug 18, 2002 (gmt 0)

> Most couldn't make GoogleStock last week, and a couple that won't make the WebmasterWorld London get together, so it is nice to put a face on Google here.

It would be nice to see them at the PUB conference, rather than a collection of words and sentences, but i am sure the Google Squad, have very valid reasons for a no-show.

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