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Google July 2002 Update

 3:35 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

i see different link:yahoo.com results



 7:15 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

>chowcat, I may have a little hemlock left over if you need it. But since it's now 9 months out and counting I may use it all Thankfully at least a friend has made it back in with googleguy's help.

What does it take to get Googleguy's help? Shining a searchlight into the sky with a big "GG" so it appears on the clouds? ;) This may have been a quick update. I can't even find my site on www.google.com anymore. :( I may have to try and find a searchlight. I am already preparing for worse case scenarios, and writing a draft to the webmaster of a peer site to ask for a prominent link on the relevant page of his site (which is #1 for 1 of the 3 key search words) with a link at least the deaths section of my website, so that people can find it. We are on reasonably friendly terms, so I have a chance. Sigh.


 7:47 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

I doubled my Links yeah!!


 7:50 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

> Did you take a look at the code on the pages that linked to you to ensure they wheren't using js?

This is an example of the linking code. I don't know why they haven't just used a straight hyperlink but I've got a bad feeling the extra bits they've added are the problem.

<a [mydomain.com""mysitename'...] target="_blank" href="http://www.mydomain.com">My Site Name</>

Sorry for being such a novice but is this Javascript at work?

If I changed it now, any chance of getting in August update?

Any advice to calm the nerves, much appreciated.


 8:10 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

>Any advice to calm the nerves, much appreciated.

Reffer to that beer thread thats floating around sorry i couldnt find a link :( and go get trashed! ;)


 9:01 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

I have seen the same results from Google www3 in AOL search.



 9:16 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

I'm showing decent ranking for a term...its only showing on www2 and 3..will it stick you think?


 9:22 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

A sure yes, if you are in www2,www3 you will be there, but the ranking can still change the next few days.



 9:42 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

duncanj, the link isn't javascript but if you have reproduced it exactly the HTML looks bollixed up. Does the link work if you click on it?


 10:05 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

I find no links to my homepage in www2 and www3. The PR hasn't changed yet (PR4), but could this be that my PR will be dropped under 4 and than that's the reason for google not showing my inbounds? Which would be odd cause I've made many improvements, including new q links.
I'm scared!!


 10:19 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Don't have a cow, man. You can check Link: all day today and tomorrow and get different results almost every time you do. You may or may not have lost links. The thing is like jelly right now. Trying to figure a form to it is worthless. I check link: my site and one minute they're all there and the next they're not.

The thing to do is keep checking link: in WWW vs. WW3 and see if you increased the number of inbound links when they do show up. Also you might want to see how many of your pages are included in the database, this month vs. last.

But if you keep checking over and over but they're not anywhere, then you got a problem.

Oh, and the only way PR changes will be evident is if you've changed the register to WWW3. I can't tell you how to do that cause I forget but somebody here can.


 9:55 am on Jul 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

> Does the link work if you click on it?

Yep, link works fine. I'm trying to get it changed to just a clean hyperlink but guess even then it won't be counted in the August update.


 9:56 am on Jul 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

I love the new results. Has anyone else noticed that PR is getting "stricter"??

Also, THANKS Webmaster World for the link back! My profile shows as a backwards link to my site.. The more the merrier!!



 11:59 am on Jul 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

I have had some problemsto see how much of my site has been indexed by google or how is linking to me, but Im not the only one here I have seen here.

Here is the solution:

site:www.yourdomain.com "www.yourdomain.com"

type this in the search.

good luck



 12:20 pm on Jul 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

The dance could not be finished. For a while yesterday my site moved from number four to number three and the page rank, on the catoagory bar increased a notch.

Now it is the same as before, same position, same rank, same old outdated cached page.

How does one know when it is complete?


 1:59 pm on Jul 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

HL, it may take a week to stabilize, and even after that there may be some bubbling going on. It does seem like results have gotten to www a bit more quickly this time than last, but I wasn't really keeping track.


 4:45 pm on Jul 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

so - and I realize this is a redundant question and apologise - what is NOW in www3.google will, at the end(?) of the updte be in www.google search?


 4:59 pm on Jul 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

Bobmark, that is usually true, but the results in www3 may change, too... Hang in there...


 5:09 pm on Jul 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

I have seen my new pages included in www, www2 & www3 with the same details but older pages are still showing old titles and details. I expected the older pages to show the new titles etc. But this hasn't happened. Any idea that this could change after the dance is complete?


 5:35 pm on Jul 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

thanks rogerd!
I like what I am seeing in www3 as I have a new "old-style" site with lots of static pages that Googlebot seems to love (fingers crossed, knock on wood).


 5:38 pm on Jul 27, 2002 (gmt 0)

The update has moved to www here in the UK and been stable for over 4 hours now.

Seems very quick.


 12:56 am on Jul 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Which is your site? I couldnt tell from all the pop ups?


 1:06 am on Jul 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Davidku - one huge problem I see is all of the internal scripting on the page. Also all of the popups when you click on your homepage.

Make Java Script's external files...


 1:09 am on Jul 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Sorry ... it is only 1 time pop up which I redirect it to a merchant. Then the merchant got it's own pop up again which is not my control. I am looking for a method whether possible to kill that merchant's additional pop up.

Okay, I will correct this.
1) make all the javascript into 1 single file.

I am listed in Open Directory and used to appear in the "Category" button. Now ... not anymore.

Thanks very much !!!


 1:10 am on Jul 28, 2002 (gmt 0)


just to let you know, dropping urls on the Forums is a no-no, unless it is undeniably beneficial to all members as an illustration of particularly interests (news).

suggest, that you give the TOS:Terms of Service at the bottom of the page a quick read.


 11:51 am on Jul 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Sorry for the trouble. I didnt read the charter earlier. Will do it now. Thanks.


 12:57 pm on Jul 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

I can also state that - at least for me - www has taken over the www2/3 results from yesterday and now seems to be stable. A great update by the way.


 1:18 pm on Jul 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

This has been a very weird update. It seems to have stabilized in very little time. Is anyone seeing differences between WWW, WWW2, and WWW3 for anything?


 1:51 pm on Jul 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

This is my first post - I hope I'm doing it right.

I'm not thrilled with this update - although I'm happy for everyone else :)

I don't know what I'm doing wrong and actually lost a couple of spots. My site's been in Google for several years, but I recently changed the focus, and have pretty good response to some of the terms, but the main one - I can't get past the 2nd page, and fell back a spot on this go around.

I've changed the tags several times over the past few months, and switched around some of the page content. I've noticed that some of the sites ahead of me don't have as many keywords in their page content, and a few are even redirects.

We also come up first on Looksmart for this term and are listed in Yahoo, (although still updating that listing) But we can't get into DMOZ - the editor is not happy with the site - too much competition. Yes, they've told me that, and I've tried to get to upper level editors, but so far no answer)

We've got about 20 outside links, some from PR5 & PR6 pages.

Anyone have any advice?



 5:01 pm on Jul 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Not very happy with the results. I don't understand why none of my inbounds show, and none of my new pages have been indexed.
Anybody has any idea?


 5:19 pm on Jul 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

My site was spidered from June 27 to July 1, so both my pages and links in are from that date and don't reflect changes since then. Is that maybe your problem?


 5:23 pm on Jul 28, 2002 (gmt 0)

Taxpod - it was stable in very little time - yes. They appear to have been working out the turn around time. I think part of that is from the "ever flux effect". They've figured out how to cut down on the transition time and db distribution time.

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