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Google July 2002 Update
Martin




msg:79954
 3:35 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

i see different link:yahoo.com results

 

chowcat




msg:80014
 1:05 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

I can almost feel the earth moving. !! And finally back into Google.!! I'll keep my fingers crossed for you NancyB.

fmonk




msg:80015
 1:05 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

www2 and www3 is now showing similar pages and backwards links for my site!

Does that mean that my pr has/will/may be up around 4 now?

Jill




msg:80016
 1:15 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

I agree with Brett for the most part, I guess it's all in what you're checking. Not much, if any movement of sites in categories I'm looking at, which seems odd since I know in some of them there are probably 1000's of new sites added each month and that means eventually someone at the top should get knocked down.

I see a lot of very spammy looking results with many listings for the same sites very close together in some kw searches. I'm hoping this shakes out during the rest of the update but I'm not counting on it.

Still not seeing at least 10 sites that we have crawled every single month but have not been added in 5 months now. There should be no reason for this but as of yet we've gotten no explanation as to why they are being shunned by Google. They do not have a yahoo listing (can't afford to pay for it) but do have listings in ODP and many others.

We have one site that is a PR6 that ranks #1 for it's main kw's yet Google only lists 12 pages of the 100's that are content rich and just waiting to be listed. Many of them get crawled each month, even new ones we've added - but none of them have seen the light of Google day. Frustration has begun to set in... :(

Marcia




msg:80017
 1:21 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

No doubt about it, every site has seen change, and Google has been very good to me this time around.

The site of mine that was down is out, which I fully expected, which I'm not crazy about, but it doesn't concern me because I know why.

But I found the reason for not finding that other one. It was one of those quickie one-time jobs on a small single keyword phrase site that's such fun to do that was worked on last January, and was sitting at # 2 for the phrase. I looked and the entire index page was changed by the site owner, not a single thing is the same as it was. So it's in there, it just lost its ranking completely because nothing is left of what it was, it might as well be about a completely different topic. Time to take the screenshot on www while it's still there.

Weblamer




msg:80018
 1:26 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

After the dance settles down, how long does it take to seep into the Yahoo google search index?

dazz




msg:80019
 1:27 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

(not much of a algo switch - if at all)

If its not broke........

Jill




msg:80020
 1:29 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Oh and good... now I see that a few sites that have really not been changed except to add content in a members section which Google never sees anyway - have been given the boot - the big white tool bar - again... <sigh> what now?

jrap




msg:80021
 1:30 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Can anyone explain this for me?

For keywords that I target, my site is buried, pretty much nowhere to be found. When I do a link:mysite , it says:

"Your search - link:http://mysite - did not match any documents"

However I did find a lot of both internal and external pages that link to the site. The site was crawled last month, so i'm not sure what's up. Am I penalized or what?

Thanks

rogerd




msg:80022
 2:00 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Jrap, normally Google only lists links of PR4 and up. Also, link checking isn't always reliable. I've had sites flip from no links found to hundreds (and back) with no change in PR.

taxpod




msg:80023
 2:05 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

And during the dance there are a lot of weird occurences. I checked links on a URL and got zip. Then 5 minutes later got a bunch. This sort of constant motion is typical, at least for me, during a dance.

T_Rex




msg:80024
 2:15 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Dumb question? but here goes.
When I check links in my google toolbar, to do it, I have to open the URL. So how do I know if the # of inbound links are on www, www2, or www3?
I checked the top 3 URL's in my cat and all show no links.
I am thinking the only way to compare #of inbound links is to do it before the dance starts, log the number, and then again after the dance is over - is that right?

Eric_Jarvis




msg:80025
 2:21 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

up a place on the competitive single keyword (3,100,000 results and we are 13)...top 4, and 5 of the top 6 (from between our 3 sites) from the primary two word phrase...up on most of our target phrases

and I've just fed in at least 200 inbound links from PR 4-7 pages ready for the next crawl (new site architecture)

dvduval




msg:80026
 2:24 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

"Your search - link:http://mysite - did not match any documents"

When this happens, be sure to check on www2. They are usually there even when they are missing from www.

Now my question
My links are updated, but the cached copy is pretty old. Someone told me that Comet Search displays the current copy with the date and the results come directly from Google. Well, Comet Search's cached copy is much newer than Google's.
1. How can this be?
2. What is the relationship between Comet's cache and Google's cache (supposedly from the same source)?

xMadx




msg:80027
 3:02 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Dance done, www.google.com,www2 and www3 show the same results.
Severals sites(just 2) are before me, and their PR is lower (4) and mine is 5 and they have less backward links.
Why my site is not before us ?
thanks

DaveN




msg:80028
 3:05 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

She still Dancing in the sunny UK.

DaveN

dazz




msg:80029
 3:07 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

lol dance done !! It didnt stop last month

cribbswh




msg:80030
 3:12 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi xMadx,
Don't feel picked on...I have the same problem...

x_m




msg:80031
 3:13 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

not done by far...still running nad will last few days I'd bet ;)

xMadx




msg:80032
 3:15 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

I'm not alone great !! heu sorry not great :-(
So is it the PR that is false or Google has changed his sorting method ?

zeus




msg:80033
 3:23 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

everytime I do a link check like link:www.mydomain.com I only get 3 links back and that have never change, but why do I have PR4 then or is there other way to check the links from google and have google not included any of my internal links?

zeus

P.s Have a great weekend

mack




msg:80034
 3:24 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Im from UK and still not seeing any sign of the update????

link:www.yahoo.com

www= 628,000
www2= 628,000
www3= 628,000

Any idea why this should be
(using google.com not uk)

davidku




msg:80035
 4:16 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Not really good for me. I can't find my site using the link command in www2 and www3. Wonder am I the only one who experienced this.

Furthermore, I am listed in Google Directory with page rank 5. Now I am buried deep under without showing any page rank. Still unsure what happen.

Anyone faces the same problem ? Thanks.

Axacta




msg:80036
 4:34 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

>So how do I know if the # of inbound links are on www, www2, or www3?<

T Rex, go to www2 and/or 3 and type in link:www.yoursite.com

jrap, you can try link:http://www.yoursite.com or link:www.yoursite.com or +www.yoursite.+com. It is actually possible to get different results with each however. And one or two may work, while another doesn't - don't ask me why? I don't think anyone can adequately explain Google's backward link displays, especially during the dance.

duncanj




msg:80037
 4:35 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

How long does it normally take for a link to your site to show up in Google.

I have had a number of links off a PR7 site since 23rd May and they have still not been picked up although the links are featured in the sites cache.

Do you think they will show in the August update?

Thanks guys. I'm starting to think they'll never come through.

mack




msg:80038
 4:41 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

duncanj

Did you take a look at the code on the pages that linked to you to ensure they wheren't using js?

Axacta




msg:80039
 4:46 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

>How long does it normally take for a link to your site to show up in Google.<

duncanj, here is the answer to your question from Brett's excellent Google Knowledgebase at [webmasterworld.com...]

Q: [Links] How long do I have to wait to get credit for inbound links?
A: You have to wait until Google spiders the other site and then yours. Finally, you will have to wait until Google updates it's index to account for the new links.

Big_Balou




msg:80040
 4:47 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

duncanj

if the those PR7 sites did use js links or cgi links then you won't see an increase from them.

***about to go to the local bar here...not good so far***

Weblamer




msg:80041
 5:01 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hmm, googlebot came to my page to crawl some more. I thought he calmed down once the dance began?

Axacta




msg:80042
 5:02 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

>everytime I do a link check like link:www.mydomain.com I only get 3 links back and that have never change, but why do I have PR4 then<

zeus, link:www.mydomain.com only shows PR4+ backward links (although some high 3's may occasionally show up). Also, Google just does not show all backward links. There seems to be no logical explanation for this. Be happy with the PR4 and don't worry about it.

>is there other way to check the links from google and have google not included any of my internal links?<

See my post to jrap.

Beachboy




msg:80043
 5:04 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Patience. The Dance usually lasts for several days. Expect further changes.

rfgdxm1




msg:80044
 7:15 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

>chowcat, I may have a little hemlock left over if you need it. But since it's now 9 months out and counting I may use it all Thankfully at least a friend has made it back in with googleguy's help.

What does it take to get Googleguy's help? Shining a searchlight into the sky with a big "GG" so it appears on the clouds? ;) This may have been a quick update. I can't even find my site on www.google.com anymore. :( I may have to try and find a searchlight. I am already preparing for worse case scenarios, and writing a draft to the webmaster of a peer site to ask for a prominent link on the relevant page of his site (which is #1 for 1 of the 3 key search words) with a link at least the deaths section of my website, so that people can find it. We are on reasonably friendly terms, so I have a chance. Sigh.

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