Since you have seen more of these then I have chiyo, is it at all common for sites already in the index to *totally* disappear, and then somewhere in the middle of the dance make it back in? It isn't where my current rankings are that disappoints. It is that my site is currently MIA in the Google dance.
How long does this google dance last before its totally complete? And how can you tell when it is?
Typically the Google Dance is finished when you see the same results on www, www2 and www3 AND the new PageRank figures are among the very last things we see with each update. Do bear in mind, tho, that for the last month or two, there have been daily fluctuations, so there might not actually be identical results across all three server sets. The Dance generally runs 5-8 days or so.
Ahhhh bugger. Still the same on many of my 0 ranked sites - but at least my major sites are doing okay. Sniff. *cue violins*
>is it at all common for sites already in the index to *totally* disappear, and then somewhere in the middle of the dance make it back in?
rdx, it's not very common, but it does happen so it's not unexpected when it does. Even if it doesn't make it back in mid-stream, which I've seen twice and neither did, don't panic unless it's out the following month also. In both cases that I've had happen they were gone for a month and then back in.
One case was an overloaded server that timed out and made the site almost inaccessible. I had the host move it, and then moved all sites from there anyway. It was out one month and then right back in where it had been.
>my site is currently MIA in the Google dance.
One of mine is out, but I expected it. After I paid for domain renewal the registrar deleted the nameserver information, I guess it was a paperwork glitch. The site was down during the last update and for a little bit after, until it was re-entered and resolved again.
I moved a portion of that site elsewhere and used a 301, but it's a good thing I've already arranged a few links to the new one, so they should both be OK next time around.
The other site that was out a few months ago is a different story. It's a site I did a little work on a while back, and there's a problem I had pointed out but the person didn't fix it. It's a domain at a free host that has the pages show up with the domain name and their subdomain both, so technically it's duplicate content at two URLs.
It appears to be gone again, which is a shame, it was doing beautifully. I'll take a screenshot on www and keep watch to see what happens with that, whether it re-appears mid-update, but I doubt it. It's a concern because it could be a problem, though I strongly suggested months ago moving it.
uff folks, if the results will be close to what I see now on www3, some big guys will have to be afraid of new newbie competitor who started doing google exactly 2 months ago cause I am top 3 in all the keywords I was working at :)
If the cometsystems Google tool, providing the cached version of the page WITH the DATE, is showing the cached page is dated 8 june, (which would imply that Google didn't crawl it yet for this update) can I still modify the page right now, and hope Google still has to crawl it during this update?
:-) I'm going to have a busy day today :-)
In www our site shows up with 294 links pointing in. In www2 and 3 it shows up with 600. Should I be a happy little bunny now or wait until the update is over and done with?
How can you tell you are still a PR0 ?
I thought the PR update came after the Final Dance.
All our sites on one server are out
They went out mid cycle
Server was down for quite a few days, but i was expecting to see them back in there in this update, no show yet
Most annoyingly i dont have log access for these sites, does any one know how i can find when it was last spidered?
Notice that google has also updated it's directory and results are superimposed in AOL. Listings accepted and added to DMOZ after July 8th don't appear though.
Even with a catastrophic server drive failure during googlebot's deep crawl it didn't hurt much.
Did excellent on some dynamic content (Shockwave) pages in SERP's which adds much weight to the fact that Flash and Shockwave sites can get good ranked position as long as DMOZ listings are favourable.
[edited by: fathom at 9:07 am (utc) on July 26, 2002]
DaveN: Because the sites affected are still in the index - but buried deep in the results and only show when searching directly for their name and domain extension. So I know they are still 0 ranked.
Ho-hum... I thought it might take a year to fully recover from cross-linking - maybe I should expand that to 2 years ;)
PS. I promise I won't turn this thread into a 0 rank discussion :)
>rdx, it's not very common, but it does happen so it's not unexpected when it does. Even if it doesn't make it back in mid-stream, which I've seen twice and neither did, don't panic unless it's out the following month also. In both cases that I've had happen they were gone for a month and then back in.
I'd say it is panic time if I am going to be out for a full month. I'll try to be hopeful, but I got the bad feeling Google has managed to hose me. :(
>One of mine is out, but I expected it. After I paid for domain renewal the registrar deleted the nameserver information, I guess it was a paperwork glitch. The site was down during the last update and for a little bit after, until it was re-entered and resolved again.
There is absolutely nothing like this that could explain what has happened. My logs show no significant outages. The odd thing is Googlebot has ignored my site for 10 days now, and usually she comes by every other day or so for the index.htm page at least. My logs show Googlebot grabbed the main site on July 5, poked around the message board on the 11th, and last came by for index.htm on the 15th. If my site doesn't make it in this index, the only explanations can be malice or stupidity on the part of Google. Using Hanlon's razor ("Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity."), I'll assume it was stupidity (specifically, some sort of computer glitch at Google) here. I am hoping I am not going to have to beg related sites still alive in Google to make some sort of much more prominent link to my site so people can find me. (Mine, and all related sites, all are focused on a matter of warning the public of dangers, so there really isn't "competition" here.) The only saving grace, if my site is out, is on one of the 2 main keywords, in www2 at the moment one of my posts on the message board of a related site, with the title "NEWS REPORT: (keyword) death..." is in the #9 position, which should end up leading people searching on that to my site because it is in my .sig file used on that message board. Weirdly enough, 3 days ago a Phoenix TV station showed a monitor with one of the deaths pages of my site on it, and used that as a basis for the reported number they gave for total documented deaths known on the topic of my site. I even managed to get someone to send me a Real Media file of that, which I already added to my site. Unless journalists prefer search engines other than Google, for a month they may not be able to get this data.
Aarggh..Why only few guys have all the bad luck in this world? Got bundle of ranks between and 11 and 20 positions.. client pays only for within 10. 2 Phrases at 11.. how about that!
Another site of my client's was indexed in DMOZ 2 months back.. but still no trace yet in Google. Beats my mind. Guess googlebot didn't like the taste of the cookies I had welcomed her with, last time over.
*laughs out loud*
Both of my pages have jumped 2 PR points, from PR3 to PR5 and from PR4 to PR6.
Note to self: hours and hours of work do eventually pay off!
Thanks a lot, Webmaster World. I owe y'all.
Hey rfgdxm1, if you won't be using that gun just yet, I could happily do with it here!!!!
chowcat, I may have a little hemlock left over if you need it. But since it's now 9 months out and counting I may use it all :( Thankfully at least a friend has made it back in with googleguy's help.
I've checked and checked kw's and the update is marginal here. Very little change in 150 out of 175 kw's I checked.
Hmm - seems just as big of an update as the lastone to me...
I'm with Chris_R - definitely looks like a real update to me.
I am glad to see my DMOZ listings finally appearing.
rfgdxm1 dont panic if your page was ok from june24 - july7 your page has been spidered and I had the same problem last update I first found my site on the last update day(takes about4-5 days)and I dont know your PR but it is maybe PR2.
Danny, did you get much benefit from the increase in PR.
Last I saw with "reviews" 11th out of 39 million, dropping from 8th when you first mention the PR increase.
Big increase in inbound links here too. Definitely a dance.
Looks fine to me 30% increase in links showing, but a new site that I was hoping would be in isnít :( Yet
It's an update Donny - just a real minor one in the crowds I'm checking (not much of a algo switch - if at all). Very few changes. Several kw's are exact matches of last month.
We have a new site that seems to have done OK. The site has 662 pages in total and we managed to get 659 indexed at first time of asking. (not to self...must try harder and ensure you do a thorough job)
In general the links seem to be better all round by about 25%, so maybe Google have done us proud.
Mind you I've always said you can never count your chickens, just in case.
My new domain is being listed for the first time (it's showing in ww2 and ww3 now) so I'm definitely happy :D I didn't realise how much I liked my google hits and page rank til I moved my site and lost them all.
And reading this forum has given me lots of ideas for things to do before the next update. I recently submitted to both yahoo and DMOZ for example. This may sound sacrilege to all of you doing this for a living, but I'm having fun ;)
Brett I see HUGE difference on www2,www3,www in my categorie.
This is the big one
I can almost feel the earth moving. !! And finally back into Google.!! I'll keep my fingers crossed for you NancyB.
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