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Google July 2002 Update
Martin




msg:79954
 3:35 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

i see different link:yahoo.com results

 

rfgdxm1




msg:79984
 6:55 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Since you have seen more of these then I have chiyo, is it at all common for sites already in the index to *totally* disappear, and then somewhere in the middle of the dance make it back in? It isn't where my current rankings are that disappoints. It is that my site is currently MIA in the Google dance.

ryan19




msg:79985
 7:13 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

How long does this google dance last before its totally complete? And how can you tell when it is?

Beachboy




msg:79986
 7:19 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Typically the Google Dance is finished when you see the same results on www, www2 and www3 AND the new PageRank figures are among the very last things we see with each update. Do bear in mind, tho, that for the last month or two, there have been daily fluctuations, so there might not actually be identical results across all three server sets. The Dance generally runs 5-8 days or so.

nutsandbolts




msg:79987
 7:39 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Ahhhh bugger. Still the same on many of my 0 ranked sites - but at least my major sites are doing okay. Sniff. *cue violins*

Marcia




msg:79988
 7:42 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

>is it at all common for sites already in the index to *totally* disappear, and then somewhere in the middle of the dance make it back in?

rdx, it's not very common, but it does happen so it's not unexpected when it does. Even if it doesn't make it back in mid-stream, which I've seen twice and neither did, don't panic unless it's out the following month also. In both cases that I've had happen they were gone for a month and then back in.

One case was an overloaded server that timed out and made the site almost inaccessible. I had the host move it, and then moved all sites from there anyway. It was out one month and then right back in where it had been.

>my site is currently MIA in the Google dance.

One of mine is out, but I expected it. After I paid for domain renewal the registrar deleted the nameserver information, I guess it was a paperwork glitch. The site was down during the last update and for a little bit after, until it was re-entered and resolved again.

I moved a portion of that site elsewhere and used a 301, but it's a good thing I've already arranged a few links to the new one, so they should both be OK next time around.

The other site that was out a few months ago is a different story. It's a site I did a little work on a while back, and there's a problem I had pointed out but the person didn't fix it. It's a domain at a free host that has the pages show up with the domain name and their subdomain both, so technically it's duplicate content at two URLs.

It appears to be gone again, which is a shame, it was doing beautifully. I'll take a screenshot on www and keep watch to see what happens with that, whether it re-appears mid-update, but I doubt it. It's a concern because it could be a problem, though I strongly suggested months ago moving it.

x_m




msg:79989
 7:44 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

uff folks, if the results will be close to what I see now on www3, some big guys will have to be afraid of new newbie competitor who started doing google exactly 2 months ago cause I am top 3 in all the keywords I was working at :)
XM

pvdm




msg:79990
 8:05 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

If the cometsystems Google tool, providing the cached version of the page WITH the DATE, is showing the cached page is dated 8 june, (which would imply that Google didn't crawl it yet for this update) can I still modify the page right now, and hope Google still has to crawl it during this update?

xcandyman




msg:79991
 8:15 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

:-) I'm going to have a busy day today :-)

Steve

edit_g




msg:79992
 8:19 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

In www our site shows up with 294 links pointing in. In www2 and 3 it shows up with 600. Should I be a happy little bunny now or wait until the update is over and done with?

DaveN




msg:79993
 8:21 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

nutsandbolts,

How can you tell you are still a PR0 ?

I thought the PR update came after the Final Dance.

DaveN

smatsmax




msg:79994
 8:28 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

All our sites on one server are out
They went out mid cycle
Server was down for quite a few days, but i was expecting to see them back in there in this update, no show yet
Fingers crossed
Most annoyingly i dont have log access for these sites, does any one know how i can find when it was last spidered?

fathom




msg:79995
 8:39 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Notice that google has also updated it's directory and results are superimposed in AOL. Listings accepted and added to DMOZ after July 8th don't appear though.

Even with a catastrophic server drive failure during googlebot's deep crawl it didn't hurt much.

Did excellent on some dynamic content (Shockwave) pages in SERP's which adds much weight to the fact that Flash and Shockwave sites can get good ranked position as long as DMOZ listings are favourable.

[edited by: fathom at 9:07 am (utc) on July 26, 2002]

nutsandbolts




msg:79996
 8:50 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

DaveN: Because the sites affected are still in the index - but buried deep in the results and only show when searching directly for their name and domain extension. So I know they are still 0 ranked.

Ho-hum... I thought it might take a year to fully recover from cross-linking - maybe I should expand that to 2 years ;)

PS. I promise I won't turn this thread into a 0 rank discussion :)

rfgdxm1




msg:79997
 8:54 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

>rdx, it's not very common, but it does happen so it's not unexpected when it does. Even if it doesn't make it back in mid-stream, which I've seen twice and neither did, don't panic unless it's out the following month also. In both cases that I've had happen they were gone for a month and then back in.

I'd say it is panic time if I am going to be out for a full month. I'll try to be hopeful, but I got the bad feeling Google has managed to hose me. :(

>One of mine is out, but I expected it. After I paid for domain renewal the registrar deleted the nameserver information, I guess it was a paperwork glitch. The site was down during the last update and for a little bit after, until it was re-entered and resolved again.

There is absolutely nothing like this that could explain what has happened. My logs show no significant outages. The odd thing is Googlebot has ignored my site for 10 days now, and usually she comes by every other day or so for the index.htm page at least. My logs show Googlebot grabbed the main site on July 5, poked around the message board on the 11th, and last came by for index.htm on the 15th. If my site doesn't make it in this index, the only explanations can be malice or stupidity on the part of Google. Using Hanlon's razor ("Never attribute to malice what can adequately be explained by stupidity."), I'll assume it was stupidity (specifically, some sort of computer glitch at Google) here. I am hoping I am not going to have to beg related sites still alive in Google to make some sort of much more prominent link to my site so people can find me. (Mine, and all related sites, all are focused on a matter of warning the public of dangers, so there really isn't "competition" here.) The only saving grace, if my site is out, is on one of the 2 main keywords, in www2 at the moment one of my posts on the message board of a related site, with the title "NEWS REPORT: (keyword) death..." is in the #9 position, which should end up leading people searching on that to my site because it is in my .sig file used on that message board. Weirdly enough, 3 days ago a Phoenix TV station showed a monitor with one of the deaths pages of my site on it, and used that as a basis for the reported number they gave for total documented deaths known on the topic of my site. I even managed to get someone to send me a Real Media file of that, which I already added to my site. Unless journalists prefer search engines other than Google, for a month they may not be able to get this data.

McMohan




msg:79998
 9:05 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Aarggh..Why only few guys have all the bad luck in this world? Got bundle of ranks between and 11 and 20 positions.. client pays only for within 10. 2 Phrases at 11.. how about that!

Another site of my client's was indexed in DMOZ 2 months back.. but still no trace yet in Google. Beats my mind. Guess googlebot didn't like the taste of the cookies I had welcomed her with, last time over.

mortalfrog




msg:79999
 9:10 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

*laughs out loud*

Both of my pages have jumped 2 PR points, from PR3 to PR5 and from PR4 to PR6.

Note to self: hours and hours of work do eventually pay off!

Thanks a lot, Webmaster World. I owe y'all.

chowcat




msg:80000
 9:14 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hey rfgdxm1, if you won't be using that gun just yet, I could happily do with it here!!!!

nancyb




msg:80001
 11:43 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

chowcat, I may have a little hemlock left over if you need it. But since it's now 9 months out and counting I may use it all :( Thankfully at least a friend has made it back in with googleguy's help.

Brett_Tabke




msg:80002
 11:46 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

I've checked and checked kw's and the update is marginal here. Very little change in 150 out of 175 kw's I checked.

Chris_R




msg:80003
 11:53 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hmm - seems just as big of an update as the lastone to me...

danny




msg:80004
 11:58 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

I'm with Chris_R - definitely looks like a real update to me.

korkus2000




msg:80005
 11:58 am on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

I am glad to see my DMOZ listings finally appearing.

zeus




msg:80006
 12:12 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

rfgdxm1 dont panic if your page was ok from june24 - july7 your page has been spidered and I had the same problem last update I first found my site on the last update day(takes about4-5 days)and I dont know your PR but it is maybe PR2.

zeus

fathom




msg:80007
 12:15 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Danny, did you get much benefit from the increase in PR.

Last I saw with "reviews" 11th out of 39 million, dropping from 8th when you first mention the PR increase.

taxpod




msg:80008
 12:21 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Big increase in inbound links here too. Definitely a dance.

tigger




msg:80009
 12:33 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Looks fine to me 30% increase in links showing, but a new site that I was hoping would be in isnít :( Yet

Brett_Tabke




msg:80010
 12:37 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

It's an update Donny - just a real minor one in the crowds I'm checking (not much of a algo switch - if at all). Very few changes. Several kw's are exact matches of last month.

webdiversity




msg:80011
 12:38 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

We have a new site that seems to have done OK. The site has 662 pages in total and we managed to get 659 indexed at first time of asking. (not to self...must try harder and ensure you do a thorough job)

In general the links seem to be better all round by about 25%, so maybe Google have done us proud.

Mind you I've always said you can never count your chickens, just in case.

shelleycat




msg:80012
 12:40 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

My new domain is being listed for the first time (it's showing in ww2 and ww3 now) so I'm definitely happy :D I didn't realise how much I liked my google hits and page rank til I moved my site and lost them all.

And reading this forum has given me lots of ideas for things to do before the next update. I recently submitted to both yahoo and DMOZ for example. This may sound sacrilege to all of you doing this for a living, but I'm having fun ;)

zeus




msg:80013
 12:40 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

Brett I see HUGE difference on www2,www3,www in my categorie.

This is the big one

zeus

chowcat




msg:80014
 1:05 pm on Jul 26, 2002 (gmt 0)

I can almost feel the earth moving. !! And finally back into Google.!! I'll keep my fingers crossed for you NancyB.

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