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Google on AOL

 2:57 pm on Jul 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

beta google on aol [dirweb01.search.aol.com]



 6:11 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

>By the way, why is everyone is so surprised that AOL would consider filtering out non-U.S. sites?

It doesn't surprise me in the least AOL would do this. The surprise was that Google would let AOL put their name and logo alongside these filtered/censored search results. Particularly as Google is trying to market itself, down the company name, as having the biggest and most complete search results. Imagine the brand contamination to Google with AOLers telling people they know: "You don't want to use that Google search engine. I have that on AOL, and they censor even the website of Prince Charles from the results."


 6:19 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

I have a .com site hosted in Canada, and it's not filtered out.


 6:59 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)


Right now, here in Southern California, going to search.aol.com, I am getting the Google results. But within AOL itself, still seeing Inktomi.


 7:19 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

In Northern California, I have gotten the enhanced Google results all morning from the search box on www.aol.com


 7:29 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

One thing here. The only thing that really counts much is what people *using the AOL browser* see. I doubt web based AOL searches are used nearly as much as the AOL browser.


 7:35 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

Its the Google Results on www.aol.com here in Texas right now too.


 7:42 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

aol service showing google results in miami, this is GREAT


 7:56 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

Possible FTC violation?

This sample serp was discovered by Lingerboy(whoever he is :) )


The search term is 'art'
Serp #9 & #10 are totally removed from the serp, not just moved to page2, but removed.

What they did...

AOL inserted digitalcity.com for 1 and 2. Under matching web sites??? Could this be considered a violation of FTC rule where advertisers or sponsors should be clearly marked?

Those who don't know about Digitalcity and AOL.

What is the AOL Local Guide / Digital City?
AOL Local Guide (available on the Web as Digital City) is the nation's leading local online information source. It provides advertisers and marketers with an active local audience looking for where to go, what to do, and how to get the most out the cities in which they live and visit.

and here's from AOL corp...

Founded in 1985, AOL initially offered limited online services for what was then a miniscule market of personal-computer users. Today, it serves more than 34 million members of its flagship AOL service along with more than 3 million CompuServe members, 120 million registered users of ICQ, and 48 million registered users of the Netscape.com service. AOL also operates some of the most popular services on the World Wide Web including MapQuest, AOL Instant Messenger, AOL Moviefone, Spinner, Winamp, and Digital City, Inc. Through AOL Strategic Business Solutions, the company builds and sells packaged software for enterprise solutions and focuses mainly on AOL Time Warner partners. The AOL International division operates localized online services in 17 countries and in eight languages making AOL the only truly global interactive services provider.

This is misleading...(I wonder if Google is aware of this)...because most users would simply assume that this is Google result.

Currently this is not happening to all keywords but who is to say that this would not be the blanket format for all serp.


 8:00 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

yep ive noticed a few non-disclosed sponsor links at the top of some aol serps as well.


 8:05 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

This is on AOL's site, read the last 2 sentences:


[edited by: WebGuerrilla at 2:58 am (utc) on July 25, 2002]
[edit reason] TOS #10 [/edit]


 8:08 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

I noticed that, BS.


 8:09 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

I disagree with this as well.


 8:15 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

>These appear only when there is a high degree of confidence by the AOL editors that our content is relevant to your search.

HA! Try doing an AOL search on "fonts" and look at the first 2 listings in the "Matching Sites". What a load of BS. This rots!


 8:26 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

But least we forgot...

What happened to #9 and #10 of Google serp? Where did it go? Would you consider that as a true reflection of Google serp?


 8:28 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

Anyone got a contact email for the FTC? I want to be the first...

This is blatant deception. Definite brand contamination for Google as well.


 8:32 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

I sent this to AOL and Google with the subject "deceptive and irrelevant search results"

When I do a search on AOL for keyword "fonts", the first 2 results listed under "Matching Sites" are not related to the subject, and they are not from Google. They seem to have been inserted by your editors, as is described in the last sentence here:

"Matching Sites
These results may contain objectionable material not endorsed by AOL.
"Matching Sites" are Web sites listed in order of relevance (listings with the highest relevance appear first). These listings are administered, sorted and maintained by Google (AOL's search partner). For information about how Google sorts these listings, go to [google.com...] and click on the "Our Technology" link. For some searches, the first one or two listings may come from AOL's own collection of matching sites. These listings are usually distinguished from the others by the inclusion of the "AOL Keyword" designation. These appear only when there is a high degree of confidence by the AOL editors that our content is relevant to your search."

However, they have been in no way distinguished from the other listings, and if they are paid listings, then this, in my opinion, is deceptive. The FTC is likely to agree.

To make matter worse, the #9 and #10 results from the Google listings seem to have been truncated to accommodate these bogus listings.

Bad start to an otherwise impressive product launch.

It will probely never get read, but it made me feel good to send it.


 8:41 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

Nice one Lingerboy... I feel better for reading it. Do let us know if you get a response.


 8:55 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

I certainly will....but don't hold your breath. I think the best we can hope is that they monitor this forum. If they don't, they should.


 9:28 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

All of this has certainly taken our minds off the impending Google July update eh? ;)


 9:54 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

"any day now, any day now, I shall be released"....from the bottom of the first page of results.

I got a bump from 7 to 8 PR earlier this month. I am hoping that sends me to the top!


 10:00 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

hmmm... every one of google's backlinks now appears in AOL and all sites and SERP's are completely identical.

This doesn't appear to be a beta coming off their mainpage.


 10:02 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

Still getting Inktomi from within AOL. Guess we will be last to see the new Aoggle.


 10:10 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)


search for 'art'

#1 & #2 are digitalcity listings (advertisers)

#9 & #10 of Google serp were dropped from AOL serp,nowhere to be found. Making your Google #9 #10 positions totally useless.


 10:12 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

Now, can it really be that AOL is importing data a whole 10-item page at a time? That sounds very weird to me, but I can't think of any other way #9 and #10 could systematically come up missing.


 10:18 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

OK now I get the google results by using the search box on the main page of AOL.com instead of only when I click on the Search Button in the navigation. So [search.aol.com...] is now live with Google. I am getting Google 100% of the time now.

Maybye AOL considers it beta since it's not used by all their users with their software yet. The question is when.

[edited by: JeremyL at 10:20 pm (utc) on July 24, 2002]


 10:18 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

If we search by logging into AOL and using their browser we are getting Ink results. I guess when it changes over there that's the real deal.


 10:20 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

or there could be something wrong with AOL parser. Like...

It counted the first 10 url feed then
add their 2 advertisers then
then saved the 10 URL in their db
effectively dropping Google #9 and #10

instead of...

add their 2 advertisers to the feed
then parse the first 10 URL
and add it to their db for output


 10:35 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

OK, ya I see this to.

But also get for >> geology software << at 10 at google and 9 at AOL.


 10:37 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

Leave it to the programmers to figure it out! So much talent here at WW.


 10:45 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

Okey...enough forums posting for me already. My head is getting dizzy with this 'Goaole' deal and watching my logs activities. Off to get some cold beer and fresh air...:)


 11:29 pm on Jul 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

What does GoogleGuy think about all this?

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