| 11:31 am on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Hi shaka1978 and welcome to WebmasterWorld,
Whilst waiting for some answers would you please check your sticky mail [link at the top of the page "You have mail:"].
| 11:50 am on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Have you installed the Google tool bar? If so, is your page rank all white or grey? If you have some page rank, you aren't banned... If the Google tool bar shows grey, you've been dropped from the index (might be banned) but usually, the typical punishment from Google is Page Rank Zero/PR0 - a white tool bar showing no page rank. Not banned/just punished(maybe for ever).
| 11:54 am on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Banned? Do you want to say that the ranking has droped? Or do you meant that site is NOT in google db?
Please add your site url in your profile so people can help you.
| 1:16 pm on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Welcome to WebmasterWorld, shaka1978.
(Make sure to check out paynt's welcome post [webmasterworld.com])
You should check the Google cache by typing cache:www.your-domain.com to check it. Google seem to have changed considerably from their old full-cycle approach to updating.
Sites often disappear from Google, you might want to consider whether your Web server could have been down for a few minutes during the last few weeks. As lazyz points out, getting banned is unusual.
| 3:34 pm on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Sorry, I'm new here and didn't know you couldn't post the URL in a message - it's in my profile now.
I typed in the full URL into google and get the Sorry, no information is available for the URL '...' page. does this mean I was banned?
Lazyz - I do have the toolbar, but no page rank bar, how do I get this?
Is there any other reason I could have got banned with no foul play? (except for the server being down, which I guess is a possibility).
Many thanks for your time,
| 3:37 pm on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Page rank is an advanced feature. Go to your toolbar preferences and turn it on at the preferences website.
Was your site just included?
Have you had any server problems in the last month?
| 3:41 pm on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)|
You seem to have a lot of comment tags on your page, which could be interpreted as spam. And the word porcelain is featured over 60 times on the home page...
And the page rank is greyed out, so you are not in the index any more.
Did or do you have a SEO company or do you promote your site yourself?
| 3:51 pm on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Greyed out tool bar... Not in the index anymore...
(I don't have a tool bar from where I am working today)
I think you are a victom of "being dropped for unknown reasons"
It sometimes happens. Sometimes the spider just doesn't make it to your site in time. Sometimes it is a server-side error with your host. The reasons are many and it does happen.
It happened to me before. Several of my domains were dropped in the middle of the month. My host had a connection problem. Google dropped every one of my host's servers. It happened over-night.
Give it until the next index before you assume you've been banned.
| 3:54 pm on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Thanks korkus2000 - I now how the page rank enabled. Where do people get the PR5 figures from?
I promoted the site myself. I thought most s/e's didn't read comments anyway? And can you really get banned just for that and maybe the occurance of one word so many times?
The site was in the top 2-3 for 'chinese porcelain art' for about a year with no real change to the code.
Does using software like Web Position Gold (not for the actual submission) get you into trouble?
| 3:56 pm on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)|
thanks lazyz - so should i re-submit or just wait? How often does the spider go out and do they let you know when this is?
| 3:59 pm on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Heres googles position on web postion gold and other automated query tools and your website.
|Fact: Sending automated queries to Google is a violation of our terms of service. This may result in blocked access to Google from your IP address, but not in the removal of your web page from our index. |
| 5:25 pm on Jul 18, 2002 (gmt 0)|
|but not in the removal of your web page from our index... |
While I have no reason to disbelieve this statement, I'd still be cautious, particularly if the nature of your WPG search would allow your site to be identified. Keep in mind that Google said it wasn't targeting users of a particular directory management software title, but 90+% of the identifiable users ended up with PR0. I would recommend doing automated queries sparingly, or not at all.
I agree with the rest that a one-time gray PR probably indicates some kind of self-correcting hiccup. If the site doesn't come back in the next update, then the possibility of some kind of ban is greater, though still not certain.
| 5:37 pm on Jul 19, 2002 (gmt 0)|
hmmm, this could be a banned domain. I only have one way to tell, which is not a 100% proven, but it looks like a ban to me.
| 8:18 pm on Jul 19, 2002 (gmt 0)|
I'd say the fact that Google has it greyed out, yet it shows results for "Backward links" is a strong indication of a penalty or ban. I'm not sure what methods other people use to determine this...
| 9:49 pm on Jul 19, 2002 (gmt 0)|
I just saw the tool bar and backwards links... 148 backwards links with a greyed out tool bar looks very bad. Time for a new domain!
| 10:01 pm on Jul 19, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Firstly, many thanks to everyone for their help. This site is most definitely a great way to learn about search engine optimisation!
I'm interested in the comments that say that my site is likely to have been banned. I notice that it has 148 backward links. Is this a good indication that it has been blacklisted? Also, are there any other methods of finding out if it's been banned.
Once again, many thanks for your time,
| 10:09 pm on Jul 19, 2002 (gmt 0)|
>148 backward links. Is this a good indication that it has been blacklisted?
I would say so, to show backward links they have to know about your domain [if it's just not in the index then it will show no links with the link command]. It could just be a glitch but I have a method that so far has proved 100% accurate in indentifying banned domains, this one shows banned. The method may be flawed, I simply haven't had enough data to test with.
| 10:57 pm on Jul 19, 2002 (gmt 0)|
So it looks a bit grim! I think I need a new domain.
What I plan to do is buy a seperate domain and send an email to all those sites linking to the original site requesting that they change the link to the new domain.
There's a problem with this though - when I check the backward links it says there are 148 but displays only 2. I then click the 'repeat the search with the omitted results included' button and it still only shows 3 out of 148!
Is there a way of getting a list of all of them or is this another of google's ways of punishing you and making you start completely from scratch again? Obviously I don't know where all the links came from!
| 8:53 pm on Jul 23, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Hey Neil, were you using WebPosition Gold for this domain until recently? Looks like that's what did it for you. I'll re-enable your domain and you should be back in within a day or so. Please help spread the word that rank checking programs can lead not just to IPs being banned but trouble for domains as well. We did another pass to turn off a chunk of domains that use rank checking programs recently.
| 8:59 pm on Jul 23, 2002 (gmt 0)|
I think we'd all like some reassurance that a competitor cannot get your site banned by running any type of rank checking on Google for your site?
I'm sure that people running competetive sites will check their competition to compare results with their own so what's stopping my main competitor from getting my site 'turned off' if they were checking my rank for various keywords on Google?
| 9:01 pm on Jul 23, 2002 (gmt 0)|
JuDDer, that is a good point to raise. It wouldn't be too difficult to knock down a competitor is this was the case.
[edited by: nutsandbolts at 10:01 pm (utc) on July 23, 2002]
| 9:06 pm on Jul 23, 2002 (gmt 0)|
I think this is interesting. Google should make this known on their pages for web masters. As I posted earlier, they state on their page that domains are not effected by this.
|Fact: There is nothing a competitor can do to harm your ranking or have your site removed from our index. Your rank and your inclusion are dependent solely on factors under your control as a webmaster, including content choices and site design. |
Google has always maintained that competitors cannot effect someone elses sites. If domains are being banned for rank checking then clearly this is not the case.
This would mean that fact one and two on their fact and fiction page are false.
| 9:22 pm on Jul 23, 2002 (gmt 0)|
When did it come out that running Web Position Gold would get you banned from Google? Have I been asleep somewhere? (quite possibly, its that time of day.) Would that be the reason for my pr0 and now pr2 index page with still pr0 on my internal pages? I have used WP Gold, haven't run it for quite a while, but I'm sure I did back in Nov-Dec when I first fell from grace. This is really disturbing news!
| 9:24 pm on Jul 23, 2002 (gmt 0)|
It came out 5 posts up.
| 9:56 pm on Jul 23, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Just a FYI, I hear that the next SEW newsletter will reveal the "handy dandy check if you are banned from G!" tool. Just a rumour at this stage.
| 9:58 pm on Jul 23, 2002 (gmt 0)|
>Hey Neil, were you using WebPosition Gold for this domain until recently? Looks like that's what did it for you. I'll re-enable your domain and you should be back in within a day or so. Please help spread the word that rank checking programs can lead not just to IPs being banned but trouble for domains as well. We did another pass to turn off a chunk of domains that use rank checking programs recently.
Umm...D'ya realize you just encouraged unscrupulous people to run WebPosition Gold checking out there competitors sites 24/7 through Google? Sales of WebPosition Gold should go way up now that you just told the world how to get the competition penalized at Google.
[edited by: NFFC at 10:02 pm (utc) on July 23, 2002]
| 10:18 pm on Jul 23, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Why in the world would running Web Position Gold to find out how you rank on various search engines get you banned? I don't understand the reasoning behind this.....Would someone please post the rules!!!!
This whole thing is completely frustrating.
| 10:23 pm on Jul 23, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Google's stance on automatic rank checking programs has been known for a long time, e.g.
We take precautions to make sure that people can't just use a rank checker to hurt a competitor. I'm not aware of any report where an IP or domain was dropped for using a rank-checker where it turned out to be someone hurting a competitor. The domain in question was using WebPosition Gold.
| 10:44 pm on Jul 23, 2002 (gmt 0)|
Your company seem to be happy selling advertising to companies who sell Web Position Gold. A quick search is showing over 563,000 results, 1 premium ad, and several ad words ads. Some seem to have very good PR also.
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