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Google June 2002 Update
June - 23 - 2002 - 1:00pm pst

 8:00 pm on Jun 23, 2002 (gmt 0)

link:www.yahoo.com on www.google.com = 623,000
link:www.yahoo.com on www2.google.com = 628,000
link:www.yahoo.com on www3.google.com = 628,000

link:www.webmasterworld.com on www.google.com = 3940
link:www.webmasterworld.com on www.google.com = 3990
link:www.webmasterworld.com on www.google.com = 3990



 3:03 pm on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)


I believe that PR isnt actually updated until after the db has settled in on www. Give it a week and hopefully you should see the new PR.



 3:20 pm on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

I am not seeing results populated to www yet for my stuff, although I am seeing some incoming traffic but when I look at the searches, am not there.

It would seem to me that it is much too quick for things to be settled, right?


 3:23 pm on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

Yeah. The new results I saw earlier have now reverted back to last month's results.


 3:40 pm on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

Managed to catch my PR when the new stuff hopped over to www for a minute. It stayed the same. Was hoping it would go up, but I suppose it's better than going down. I really wish it had updated the Directory first, though. None of the pages listed in DMOZ were even crawled by Google last month, not to mention receiving benefits from the listing.



 3:44 pm on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

So if this is the dance, the next crawl should be soon...right?


 3:49 pm on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

Gibble - it usually starts a day or so after the dance - or the 1st of the month. So, yeah. About a week from today or so.



 3:59 pm on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

Now Im getting scared still not on any www2, www3, could it be that Im out, but I could not think of any reason why, I follow every rules there is.



 4:02 pm on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

briefly had a down 3 to 19 on our most competitive single word...now back up to 16

but the big change should come after the next crawl when we get the site with keywords in the domain name crawled on its own space without a redirect


 4:04 pm on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

Urrrgh. I find watching the Google dance about as stressful as watching to stock market on a daily basis. :)

I figure, hey, I'm in it for the long haul, so these little ups and downs are to be expected, right?

(I do have my fingers crossed.)


 4:19 pm on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

Thanks Grumpus, I'm new to this stuff.


 5:27 pm on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

Sorry people for the silly questions but....
has the update finished? I saw my pages list in www, www2 and www3 at 417 (over 300 added since last update and before last big crawl) but now I only show results of 80 original pages on www and www2. www3 still shows 417 pages. I seem to be settling on the original pages listed with the new ones being left out.
I should really stop looking and get disgustingly drunk for about 2 days shouldn't I.


 5:29 pm on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

No podawg, it's not finished. And yes, you should give it a couple of days.

I am seeing significantly different (and better, for me) results now on www2 and www3 from what I was getting last night, by the way.


 5:40 pm on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

On my main keyword I was listed on page 1 no.8, but now I can not find my page on the main keyword or other, but if I type my domain name without www and com I found my page, but it is wierd, I hope that some of the sites have not been moved yet.



 5:54 pm on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

My main entry now shows the correct category (except I'm in dmoz there, but not yet in google!) I thought the google search and directory updates were normally seperate?


 6:33 pm on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

Seeing nearly all my sites inbound links reduced dramatically, PR unchanged and SERPS about the same ... any one else seeing this on the wwwx´s ? an algo change on link popularity ?


 6:55 pm on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

I hope this the database AOL in the US uses!
Going to be a busy month.

When is this going to happen anyway?


 6:58 pm on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing almost identical rankings on all the servers for all my keywords. More incoming links on www2 and www3, but no change in rankings at all.

My newly acquired incoming links from Yahoo and other high PR sites are showing up but this hasn't boosted my rankings at all ??!! Change in algo ? Less importance given to PR maybe ?


 7:09 pm on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

Actually, the crawl for the next month often begins *before* an update settles down. The shuffling process (what we see now between www.google.com, www2, and www3, that often changes minute to minute) takes perhaps 3-5 days to complete, but independently of that googlebot will be coming around doing regular crawling for the information that will be included a month from now. That crawl may not happen until tomorrow or the day after, but it might start by the end of the day today, too. One of the best things you can do if you're new (or old) to this whole drama is immediately do a search for all the pages on your site with something like widgets site:widgets.com (if you can get www2 to hold still long enough), and scan through the results looking for typos in page titles, inconsistent or poor wording, etc., and fix them immediately (i.e., today). I hand code my pages, and even though I'm careful I've sure been glad to catch the occasional typo the leaps out at you from a Google results page. If you miss the error and the bot scans you tonight, it may be *two* months before the corrected version appears in the database.

(New members should also be sure to study the outstanding Google knowledge base that Brett and others have put together:


It's one of the many things that makes WebmasterWorld so great.)


 7:17 pm on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

The googlebot was on my site early this morning for a couple of dozen pages.


 7:19 pm on Jun 24, 2002 (gmt 0)

This is well wierd... I am seeing pages on www3 that where only uploaded last week?????


 2:12 am on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

Yeah, well I had a site that was uploaded last week that showed up earlier on www2 & www3 with a PR5, and now its missing from both indexes. Frustrating!


 8:47 am on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

mack, I have noticed the same thing, I think that Google is crawling more sites, more often, in efforts to increase the 'freshness' of their results. Good news all round if it is.


 1:42 pm on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

I for one, dislike this update with a passion. Of 5 fairly new sites, all of which were crawled previously... Three that had been indexed are all now PR0, and the others have not been included.

Just when things *seem* to be going well too!


 1:46 pm on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

I have found my page on a keyword that is not that importand on www2, but I still have not found my page on my main keyword, I have looked through 30 pages on that keyword, is it possible to loose that much because of a PR3 and
before PR4(page 1 on main keyword).



 1:53 pm on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

I'm more confused than ever after the last two updates. Our main site keeps getting pushed further down in the ranks. We have more relative incoming links and content than we ever have before yet we're sinking. :( Many sites above us have little to no links to them and are using spammy wording on their sites to stuff keywords. We're still in the top 30 but in this biz that doesn't mean a whole lot.

I am at a loss now as to how to bring us back up at least into the top 20. I guess I'll just keep adding content and hope for the best, but with Google taking the lion's share of traffic in the Search Engine market we have to do well with them. Especially with the AOL listings on the horizon.


 2:35 pm on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

Many sites above us have little to no links to them and are using spammy wording on their sites to stuff keywords.

I was pleased to see that one notorious spam site (a hotel-booking site disguised as a travel guide) appears to have been dropped or penalized. The spammers had been very successful in using mirror sites, keyword packing, and crosslinking to grab three of the top 10 listings for an important destination keyword.

FWIW, the site also used wildly spawning browser windows (which were reminiscent of a porn site) to trap readers. I wonder if Google is taking such techniques into account? If not, it should. Multiple popunders, self-spawning windows, and disabling of the back button are pretty good indicators of a spam site.


 3:04 pm on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

The new database is allready on de.google.yahoo.com - can that be final - or are they just testing?


 3:19 pm on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

Hi, I'm new to this forum and this is my first err.. dance and it's all a bit confusing. Two questions:

How does one know when it's actually over? I've seen results match for www, www2 and www3 for a while now, but then suddenly backlinks on www will slip back in time again, and then forward, and then..

Also, I was linked to by some good pages, including a pr9, at the end of May and figured this might boost my site from a pr5 with this update. My results are all pretty much the same as last month in www2 and www3, though.

Do those staging servers hold the final version of the db or does pr get recalculated later and the results shifted around at the end?

Phew.. sorry, that was a bit long-winded.. i be baffled!


 3:36 pm on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)


I had pages appear on google within 4 days. They then stayed there for a week. No5 spot. Today the don't even appear for a site: search. ww2 sure enough no5.

I guess wait till the dance is over! :o


 3:37 pm on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

Deodato - welcome to Webmaster World!

It usually takes about a week for the index to settle down. Lately, it seems there has been more shifting throughout the month than usual.

As to your PR, keep in mind that actual PR is not the round number displayed in the toolbar (in your case, 5.0). It is possible that before you were a low five and now you are a high five. I would be very surprised if a single link - even from a PR 9 site - would boost you a full number.

Don't forget - people looking for your site are not searching by Page Rank. It's where you rank in the searches that count, and PR is just a part of that.

As for whether or not WWW2 and WWW3 hold the final database, it seems that things shuffle a little bit as the DB is finalized but WWW2 and WWW3 are very good indicators of what your final search position will be - though not necessarily good indicators of PR. I'm sure some Google experts can give more insight into that issue than I can.


 3:49 pm on Jun 25, 2002 (gmt 0)

Thanks, Mardi_Gras, I'll work on umm.. managing my expectations for a few days then :)

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