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Google gives job offers to the naughty
Who says crime doesn't pay?
razinkane




msg:77471
 5:04 pm on Jan 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

[contractoruk.com...]

A series of candidates have been called to Mountain View in California, after they tried to tweak Google products or hack the search site for company secrets.

[edited by: ciml at 7:27 pm (utc) on Jan. 20, 2005]

 

siteseo




msg:77472
 8:24 pm on Jan 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Time was when one would have suspected a "sting" op.

dauction




msg:77473
 8:38 pm on Jan 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Great Idea.. G might as well seek out the best talent from the hack community and test them out.. better having the best of he worst ..working for you instead of against you .

satanclaus




msg:77474
 8:40 pm on Jan 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

I wonder what kind of job he ended up with. Probably as a tester of sorts to sit around and crack their systems.

walkman




msg:77475
 8:42 pm on Jan 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

that's smart though, as long as G still keep a few secrets from them :).

kaled




msg:77476
 10:19 pm on Jan 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

Kaled.

razinkane




msg:77477
 2:24 am on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

If you noticed in the article, no one was hired. they just recieved a headache from the testing, and a tour of googlebots playing.

BigDave




msg:77478
 2:39 am on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Damn, sounds like the good old days back in the 70s and early 80s when that was a common tactic. Back before the suits took over.

You will notice that they only brought in those that were not malicious, only those that were creative outside the rules. They basically follow the second clause in the "hacker ethic" entry in the jargon file

2. The belief that system-cracking for fun and exploration is ethically OK as long as the cracker commits no theft, vandalism, or breach of confidentiality.

walkman




msg:77479
 2:46 am on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

BigDave,
I agree. These days you point out a flaw and you end up arrested by the FBI or sued by the company, instead of being thanked. It's insane and the spirit of the law has gone right out of the window..

These guys designed useful products for Gmail and it's extremely smart to hire them, or offer their tools for free /a small fee.

razinkane




msg:77480
 4:06 am on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Walkman, You are so right Google should have hired them, but they didn't. So I guess I know who Microsoft and Yahoo are going to try to hire. An enemy of my enemy is my friend. These are exciting days for SEO's.

BigDave




msg:77481
 8:01 am on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

You are so right Google should have hired them

Why?

You hire people for their talent and if they can fit in. They demonstrated enough talent to get looked at, which is a trick in itself.

Google doesn't have to hire everyone with talent. They need to hire the right talent.

I seem to recall that they did hire a couple of people that came up with cool API applications.

walkman




msg:77482
 8:13 am on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

"You hire people for their talent and if they can fit in. They demonstrated enough talent to get looked at, which is a trick in itself. "

Another good point. Maybe they'll hire though, we don't know yet, or maybe what they did isn't that hard at all. I know this much, having too many smart (or "the best") people does not guarantee success. We see that constantly in sports. That said, I rather have smarter people around me, and the good news is that it doesn't take much to be "smarter". ;)

rfgdxm1




msg:77483
 5:24 pm on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

>You will notice that they only brought in those that were not malicious, only those that were creative outside the rules. They basically follow the second clause in the "hacker ethic" entry in the jargon file

>2. The belief that system-cracking for fun and exploration is ethically OK as long as the cracker commits no theft, vandalism, or breach of confidentiality.

I myself am such a hacker. I've discovered all sorts of securities holes in ISPs. One really bad, and in an ISP whose name anyone in the US would know. I contacted the appropriate sysadmins (making sure it was the top sysadmins and not some low level tech person who might not be honest), detailed the problem, and even gave him the code fix to close this security hole.

The best terminology for people who use hacking skills with bad intent is "cracker". The media often gets this wrong, and uses "hacker" instead. Hackers are the Good Guys. The Internet survives only because most people aren't evil. Most security problems are first found by honest hackers who report them and get them fixed before the crackers do.

BigDave




msg:77484
 6:42 pm on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Actually, all cracking is cracking, whether done with good or bad intent.

Hackers sometimes crack, and some cracks are good hacks, but hacking and cracking are distinct activities.

A hack is 'an appropriate application of ingenuity'. Hardware hackers are those that come up with a simple circuit to replace a much more complex circuit.

Software hackers do the same thing with code. They generally, but not always, are drawn to system and scientific programming.

Search engines are an area that would be of interest to hackers on many levels, including hardware hackers. Just think about the custom servers that google puts together. And a hack that saves a few clock cycles in a search routine could save the company quite a bit of money and speed up searching for the user.

TNJed




msg:77485
 7:12 pm on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Google has been placing full page ads in the monthly MENSA magazine which are actually "brainteasers." If you figure out the puzzle and attach the answer to your resume, according to the ad, your resume goes to the top of the stack.

Who knows how much it could help but I love that kind of style.

razinkane




msg:77486
 3:14 am on Jan 23, 2005 (gmt 0)

Gee I tried the "Can you draw ad", But I skipped the Mensa ad for Google. But the seamonkeys were a bonus!

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