| 11:00 pm on Jan 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Did you just say "It's actually a really good way to sync up with people"?
I had hoped the term 'sync up' and every other marketing jargon term from 2000 had gone the way of WebVan - into the Failed Dot Com Hall of Fame.
I can just picture all of the Google sales reps going over their touch points trying to leverage best practices in an effort to strengthen core compentices.
| 11:21 pm on Jan 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I think a lot of you have this backwards. It is not spending on employees while a company it flush with cash that leads to a future crash.
It is simply that most companies end up crashing, and it is vital for a company that is flush with cash to show appreciation for their employees.
The employees know when the company is doing well, and when things are tight. If you treat them as if things are tight when they are actually going well, you will lose your best people very quickly. You aren't dealing with clerks at a 7-11 that can't get a job somewhere else.
Even when times were tough, every decent sized company that I have worked at has paid for some sort of off-site party at least once a quarter, as well as group parties whenever projects were completed.
And for a real kicker, even as a contractor I was often sent along for the party on the clock. And these are not companies that have burned out and disappeared. When I was at intel about 7 years ago when they were halting work on their buildings, they still paid for parties, they were less extravagant, but they still showed appreciation for your work.
As for complaining about the behavior of the company that you "own", did you even read the prospectus? What they really sold you was a tracking stock. The stockholder with controlling stock had a meeting at a ski resort.
As a stockholder, you should be complaining about money spent on $20,000 lamps for the lobby, or bonuses for executives that are not based on performance, not a few hundred bucks per employee for something that greatly improves morale.
| 11:29 pm on Jan 20, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|I had hoped the term 'sync up' and every other marketing jargon term from 2000 had gone the way of WebVan - into the Failed Dot Com Hall of Fame. |
That was a marketing term? I didn't even realize they knew what sync meant? Engineers have been using that term (and other technical terms applied to social situations) since long before I started in 80.
| 12:25 am on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
evan420, I've used the term sync forever. Chalk it up to me being a total geek. It's mine now, and the marketing people can't have it back. :)
skipfactor, you're right--I'm mostly a two-planker. I've been on a snowboard, and even felt like I was getting the hang of it for a while. That was when I decided to try going fast down the bunny slope. Not a good idea: I ended up head-over-heels. It was like a big cartoon snowball with GoogleGuy legs and arms sticking out.
So GoogleGuy + fakie = snowball. Now I mostly stick to skis. :)
| 12:36 am on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Did you catch your toe edge. Its called a scorpion when your front side hits and your back legs bend until the stinger (your board) hits you in the back of the head. I was dabbling in snowboarding until one of those on a firm day at Kirkwood brought me back to my roots.
|I ended up head-over-heels. It was like a big cartoon snowball with GoogleGuy legs and arms sticking out. |
| 1:11 am on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
i hope they find them ok ;)
| 1:43 am on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
>>a big cartoon snowball with GoogleGuy legs and arms sticking out
If you don't have a secure photo you can share please get Dennis to doodle this.
>>Now I mostly stick to skis
Take a few lessons on powder days and wear your rollerblade pads & the new Burton Bluetooth helmet. :)
| 2:21 am on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
It's awesome that Google does this as a annual event. Imagine how refreshed the employees who took advantage of this will be upon returning? Those who stayed to work will feel refreshed from the chance to catch up. Good all around, have fun Google! :)
|did you even read the prospectus? |
BigDave, if they had they wouldn't be making those outrageous "I bought a share you work for me now, Google" claims. The only other explanation is that they did read it and are intentionally lying to mislead folks who haven't done their homework.
| 4:15 am on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
Ya know ... for a bunch of folks who will spend thousands to attend PubCons all over the world, some of you sure are cynical.
I owned stock in my own company together with a partner. We both worked very hard and played very hard. There were lots of parties and perks for staff ... always! We were the envy of our industry. Everyone wanted to work for our company and we attracted top notch people and kept them too.
I personally went out and bought each of them very nice Christmas presents each year as well. It used to take about 4 days to shop for everyone. We spent a large amount of money on staff perks each year ... and it was well worth it!
Networking on a social level with coworkers and staff can be one of the most productive ways to spend time I can think of. You'd be amazed at the creativity which can be produced over a few cocktails or a at a BBQ dinner while sitting poolside at a nice resort.
I think PubCon is an excellent example of what can be gained when like minded people with much in common come together.
GG - All work and no play makes GoogleGuy a dull boy! You should have gone!
| 4:29 am on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
An absolute landslide of inappropriate adwords appearing in my niche.
Apparently the time to break the rules is when the Google-ites go skiing. Some of you may want to make a note for next year.
| 10:01 am on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|My account rep said they were at a conference. I knew they were really having a big party! |
There's supposed to be 1,800 google marketing/advertising employees meeting in SF for adwords/adsense changes.
| 3:06 pm on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I've got no problem with staff being rewarded - I've enjoyed perks myself :-)
But when our rep has had days to do the simplest task and it still isn't done - then I get annoyed.
He has checked his email, I know - just not doing his job.
Client's annoyed too - and they've found the News.com story.
Sorry Google, but the office cover you arranged wasn't enough.
As for the rest of Google - I hope they enjoy it, because I doubt they will get the chance next year.
| 5:45 pm on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)|
How will the kids survive without the Google-Chef? Maybe he went along!
| 12:48 am on Jan 22, 2005 (gmt 0)|
They weren't too busy skiing to inappropriately disable one of my ad groups, just too busy to respond to my query about it.
Enjoy the slopes, hopefully all my potential customers are there with you guys.
| 11:42 pm on Jan 23, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I'm heartened that the vast majority of folks here recognize the Google Annual Ski Trip for what it is:
- Smart business
I don't work for Google, but many of my friends do. Not all are rich, but they've all been working hard, and they're all extremely smart people. One of 'em was formerly a senior engineer at Yahoo... who left that company not due to compensation issues, but dismay over the company's culture.
I was shocked and admittedly felt somewhat sick to my stomach to read an earlier WW's comments that no employee is indispensible. Charming. Sure, Google could be like Disney -- a sweatshop -- but what was the last great innovation you recall from Disney? And IMHO, America should (although I know it won't) be moving more towards the classic European model (humane, long-term-thinking company policies and citizen investors), instead of the sad visa versa.
And the whole "I'm a major stockholder here me roar!" stuff... puleaze! As others here have wisely pointed out, anyone who read the prospectus knew EXACTLY what they were investing in: a company that smartly noted that they'd not be reducing employee perks, they'd be *increasing* them. Don't like it? You shouldn't have invested in the company... or, if it's too late, sell sell sell right away!
It's times like these when I'm really relieved and happy with the dual-class stock situation with Google.
| 12:47 am on Jan 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|[404 rooms] |
i hope they find them ok ;)
Awesome stuff, kpaul.
| 1:35 am on Jan 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|or, if it's too late, sell sell sell right away! |
That's exactly what will happen if Google doesn't start working on the bugs. It's not about them taking a vacation (two weeks after the holidays), but rather the fact that they have ignored so many bugs for so long.
Everyone understands "work hard play hard". But they need to get back to the way they used to be, with such a good search engine. Get to work on the 302/hijacking issues and stale serps.
| 1:53 am on Jan 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
I feel your arguments are wholly non-sequiturs. Google, the company has problems, just like all other companies have problems. We all know this, and many of us are frustrated by it. Heck, I'm a Webmaster as a hobbyist, and also an SEO guy by profession, and lots of Google / AdWords stuff drives me nuts.
But I feel that has absolutely nothing to do with whether Google should spend money on making employees happy and attracting new employees, nor on whether -- at an ideological / moral / ethical level -- Google should continue to endeavor to not be evil to its workforce.
Throwing money at technical problems isn't the answer. Withholding perks from employees won't solve anything.
And thus, we return full circle to my initial assertion: My comments (and many others' comments) lauding Google's treatment of its employees has absolutely no relation to your complaints about Google's problems.
| 1:58 am on Jan 24, 2005 (gmt 0)|
|And thus, we return full circle to my initial assertion: My comments (and many others' comments) lauding Google's treatment of its employees has absolutely no relation to your complaints about Google's problems. |
Quite the contrary. If Google continues to provide "perks" despite nonproductivity then stock prices will eventually fall. You may have gone "full circle" within your own flow of logic and your personal debate, but the issues remain; problems discussed in other threads, not worth mentioning here, go unresolved.
Perks are wonderful, as you said, to attract and retain. However, if the staff body becomes lethargic and problems go unresolved (in Google's case, serious bugs), then perks can become wasteful. I love to see companies treating their employees the way that Google does; I do the same. But, I expect good things from my staff as I am sure Google does. It is just amazing to see the problems that we have during the past year. I only hope the employees go back to work refreshed and ready to tackle these issues that they have known about for far too long.
[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 2:52 pm (utc) on Jan. 25, 2005]
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