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How long until "301 permanent moved" visible in SERPS
SEOPTI

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Msg#: 27534 posted 2:19 pm on Jan 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

I replaced my old domains with new ones with a 301 redirect one weeg ago but Google is still showing the old domains in their SERPS. How long will it take until the old ones disappear?

 

Labyrinth

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Msg#: 27534 posted 3:55 pm on Jan 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

I dunno, but I've got two that I 301'd in November and they still show. [shrug]

Critter

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Msg#: 27534 posted 4:14 pm on Jan 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

did a complete 301 on my site...took 3 weeks for all new pages to be crawled, old pages are disappearing quickly

pageoneresults

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Msg#: 27534 posted 4:21 pm on Jan 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Based on personal experience and that of others, I'd say it will be months before things work themselves out. I have one I did at the beginning of October that is still waiting to be properly indexed.

walkman



 
Msg#: 27534 posted 4:22 pm on Jan 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

MONTHS, google is very slow on this. Not sure why but they are.

Critter

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Msg#: 27534 posted 4:26 pm on Jan 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

I think a lot depends on your PR...if you have high PR (I have a PR8 on home page) then it'll probably go faster.

caveman

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Msg#: 27534 posted 5:23 pm on Jan 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

We have had a broad range of experiences on this, from literally days (when we caught it just right) to as much as six months. And it has been over a period of years that I'm referring to, so not sure what the latest is. FWIW, we think it's been faster when we've made sure that the old page is taken down.

pageoneresults

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Msg#: 27534 posted 5:26 pm on Jan 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

If you are using a 301 from an old page to a new page within an existing site, it gets picked up fairly quickly. It is all relative to the indexing behavior on your site. If you are indexed daily, you'll probably see the new page in place within 48-96 hours, maybe a little longer.

If you are using a 301 from an old site to a new site, that is where the problems appear to be happening. I do not think PageRank has any relevance in this instance, at least based on my experiences. There are also many topics here and at other fora where the above has been confirmed.

Jack_Hughes

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Msg#: 27534 posted 10:12 pm on Jan 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Methinks you have a loooong wait ahead :(

We did the same thing on the 13 September and things haven't resolved themselves as yet. Our PR is now back where it was (in the 1st Jan update) but our traffic is around 50% of previous levels.

The lesson from google would appear to be: never take down an existing domain, just leave the site up and create new content for the new site.

Powdork

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Msg#: 27534 posted 11:26 pm on Jan 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Did mine on June 6th, 2004. The old domain's pages still appear as supplemental results. The new domain performs miserably. Whereas the pages use to rank tops for their respective keywords, they are now placed firmly in the box, in many cases outside the first 1,000. At least the also rans are ranking them fairly. Makes you wonder how much longer Y! and MSN will be the 'also rans'.

SEOPTI

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Msg#: 27534 posted 11:32 pm on Jan 14, 2005 (gmt 0)

Thanks, so it is always better to delete the content of the old site and wait until it disappears from the SERPS, then upload the same content to the new site in order to avoid a dupe content penalty?

Powdork

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Msg#: 27534 posted 12:22 am on Jan 15, 2005 (gmt 0)

For Google it doesn't matter.
What's worse? A duplicate content penalty or the Sandbox?
Either way you get no G traffic.

g1smd

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Msg#: 27534 posted 11:45 pm on Jan 19, 2005 (gmt 0)

Timescale depends on what you are redirecting.

Pages: days to weeks.

Sites: weeks to months.

Marval

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Msg#: 27534 posted 1:00 am on Jan 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

The other factor is whether the new domain is really a "new" domain or one that already had content and was indexed.
I'll let you know my experiences as I just redirected 5 old domains that mistakenly got indexed as dupes of my main domain and they just got 301s replacing the old aliasing that they were under.

Kukenan

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Msg#: 27534 posted 10:40 pm on Jan 20, 2005 (gmt 0)

YES! 301's..... my favorite subject.

I have been trying to move my site from "site.com" to "www.site.com" using 301's for a year and no success. :-(

The homepage shows as www.site.com but the rest of the site is without.

My last attempt: delete everything old using Google's " automatic URL removal system." and leave only the home page. Bite the bullet as I wait for G to index the site from scratch.

Since Google never seems to get which pages must go and which are duplicates I thought it needed a litle help.

I will post the results... if ever.

g1smd

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Msg#: 27534 posted 12:50 am on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

Are you absolutely sure that the old page URLs return a 301 status? Use an online HTTP header sniffer to verify.

A friend set up this sort of redirect at the bginning of December, and everything was re-indexed in 10 days.

Coldrum

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Msg#: 27534 posted 2:27 am on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

I'm not so sure 301 redirects are still working in google.

My reasoning is that one of my sites has dropped considerably in the rankings.

About 7 months ago I used a 301 redirect on 4 old sites to a main site after it had previously been hosting the identical content on four different domains.

For 3 months this worked and the main site enjoyed good rankings, that is, until the latest update.

After the site dropped on this latest algo update I performed a site search on the main site and the old domain is now appearing in the main sites results! So I performed another site search on the old site and it has 21 pages cached from may last year. There are links pointing to the old domain and this seems a likely reason why google is refusing to give it up (as it has now recognised that the 3 other old domains are not in use now)

So the way I see it, there are two options -

either try a javascript forwarder.

Or try the google remove url tool on the old domain?

Has anyone used this tool before, any warnings, advice etc..

I will post the results here

walkman



 
Msg#: 27534 posted 2:47 am on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Or try the google remove url tool on the old domain? "

It works, but once you remove it, it's removed. You can't "change your mind" a month later. You need to e-mail to them and who know when, if ever, they will re-include you.

Kukenan

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Msg#: 27534 posted 3:00 pm on Jan 21, 2005 (gmt 0)

It works, but once you remove it, it's removed. You can't "change your mind" a month later.

Suposedly is a temporary remove (90 days). Unless you put a robots.txt in your root to specifically prevent the pages from being re-indexed.

Check Google's explanation here:
[google.com...]

If you remove the whole site, well, that could be another story.

In my case I have the homepage indexed properly so I am deleting the rest and keeping the 301 redirects in hopes that Google will re-crawl the site under www.domain.com/ as it should.

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