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Old Sites Going for New Keywords
Will sandbox kick in?
JoeyBall

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27418 posted 5:54 pm on Jan 8, 2005 (gmt 0)

The current site that i have is aiming for a keyword which I rank top 10 in google. However lately i am thinking of aiming for a new key word its a little bit different, what i would like to know is will my site be caught in the google sandbox.

I have 2 sites that currently have been in that state for the last year and its really annoying me.

I don't want to waste time in getting new links and use different anchor text if nothing will happen.

 

conor

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27418 posted 11:02 pm on Jan 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

The so called sandbox effect only effects newer doamins

RichTC

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Msg#: 27418 posted 11:23 pm on Jan 9, 2005 (gmt 0)

I would be interested in your thoughts regarding the sandbox possibility with my own site and keywords.

The site is in a commercial sector with high priced keywords in demand. A UK Job site. Established c 9 months.

I currently have loads of main pages and sub domains with PR5 pages and links built up etc. Pages titled and rich in content.

Currently i dont feature for ANY keywords in Google what so ever. The only search i have found the site with keywords for is "insurance Jobs" where the site is position 370

What is odd about this position 370 is that sometimes its my main site page results for insurance Jobs that show ie mysite.co.uk/js_jobsearch_sec.asp?sectors=15 and other times its my subdomain insurance.mysite.co.uk/jobs

Anyone else had a similar experience?

Meanwhile, google bot visits my site every day, at least 50,000 hits PCM and if you search my site name in google i have over 30,000 pages listed yet none are indexed other than the one above.

With regard to the original posters question i would say leave it well alone, getting some free traffic out of google is good enough. If you change it and dont get listed you might not be able to go back - who knows?

eyezshine

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27418 posted 8:54 am on Jan 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

It would probably be best if you had some anchor text for the keyword you are trying to target. But you never know?

I don't think you'll get sandboxed but without anchor text in incoming links it may be harder to rank?

GerBot

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27418 posted 11:35 am on Jan 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

RichTC, I have a site in the same area as you which ranks well across about 300-500 different terms in Google.
I'm looking at moving this site into a new search field like JoeyBall.

i too would be very interested to see if this can be done.

I suspect it can

RichTC

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Msg#: 27418 posted 12:18 pm on Jan 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

Gerbot,

May i ask if your site is older then 9 months hence is that why you dont have pages sandboxed?.

If you already have 300-500 good keywords bringing your site up why change things?

Do you operate in the UK or US?

Good luck with your site, sounds like you have cracked it with Google!

Kind Regards

GerBot

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27418 posted 5:13 pm on Jan 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

May i ask if your site is older then 9 months hence is that why you dont have pages sandboxed?
site was live in 2001. (big advantage)

If you already have 300-500 good keywords bringing your site up why change things?
Because 3 5000 would be ten times better :)
Plus I want to diversify the markets that this site operates in.

Do you operate in the UK or US?
I operate in both the US and UK

Good luck with your site, sounds like you have cracked it with Google!
Thanks

OptiRex



 
Msg#: 27418 posted 5:56 pm on Jan 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

JoeyBall & GerBot

>Because 3 5000 would be ten times better :)
Plus I want to diversify the markets that this site operates in.

If both your sites are already that well-established and recognised and your additions are "on-theme" with your current content, why should there be a problem?

You are simply adding new content pages within your site and so long as it is relevant it will be picked up and displayed very quickly although it may take a month or two to climb up towards the top.

If you are thinking of changing the keywords on exisiting pages I have never had a problem with that at all other than, as said, waiting for them to climb back up.

Don't expect to come steaming in at #1 for a completely new set of keywords.

RichTC

Hang in there. Fortunately I've never experienced this even with new sites however I have always ensured that they have good links from authority sites when launched.

Do you have that? If not, get them, if you do, there is thread after thread about it and I feel sorry for you, there seems to be no solution...yet!

Quite simply, issuing relevant new pages within an established site has never been a problem for me.

Bet we hear from someone who has had a problem though!

JoeyBall

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27418 posted 8:40 pm on Jan 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

I just looked in google and found my site ranking for the new keyword no.347 but it appears some days and disappears some days.

allintitle:keyword = no.157
allinanchor:keyword:= no.500 odd

GerBot

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27418 posted 9:52 pm on Jan 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

What if I pick a new keyword, new topic and put up a new page?

OptiRex



 
Msg#: 27418 posted 11:10 pm on Jan 10, 2005 (gmt 0)

GerBot

>What if I pick a new keyword, new topic and put up a new page?

If it's relevant, and why should it not be, absolutely perfect.

I try and add a couple of new pages every week, all using the same template but all with new title bars, meta tags etc and all new relevant information to MY site.

If you do try and plagerise someone else's work do make sure that you change it around sufficiently for Google to recognise it as different/new/relevant.

After all, there's only a few ways to describe the same thing so flower it up and sprinkle it liberally with your new keywords placed strategically.

GerBot

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27418 posted 9:29 am on Jan 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

If it's relevant, and why should it not be, absolutely perfect

That was my point - the new word is not relivant.

e.g. my site is about 'monkey nuts' and my new page is about 'space travel'

brixton



 
Msg#: 27418 posted 10:39 am on Jan 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

Maybe yes maybe no ,I did that experiment with a 2 years old site that was in the top 10 for 1 word keyword, the new topic was quite deferent and the page wasn't even at the top 100,i change back to the old topic after the failure and the page is back where it was. So why don't you make the same expirement.Maybe it will work for you -if you change all the inbound text links-something I haven't done 100%

OptiRex



 
Msg#: 27418 posted 12:16 pm on Jan 11, 2005 (gmt 0)

GerBot

>That was my point - the new word is not relivant.

Then unless someone types in more or less your description it's very doubtful you'll rank very well.

Off-topic pages seem to have been hit hard which is why the authority pages are coming to the fore even more...as they should.

Brixton's experience is a perfect example however there is nothing to stop you trying since it will not diminish your other pages, just in case you were worried about that, well, not that I've ever noticed.

gopi

WebmasterWorld Senior Member 10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27418 posted 4:50 pm on Jan 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

GerBot , it will work ...obviously the index page that was anchor optimised for your old main kw will not rank but your internal pages will rank for the new kw's!

HayMeadows

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27418 posted 5:19 pm on Jan 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

Old Sites Going for New Keywords

This is a major reason I do not believe Hilltop has been implemented but rather, Google is broke and having problems bringing in new data in particular page rank data.

JoeyBall

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 27418 posted 6:27 pm on Jan 13, 2005 (gmt 0)

I got to 127 for my new keyword for 2 days, but the past 2 days its nowhere to be seen not even on the last page.

I got about 30-40 links with keyword as anchor text.

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