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PageRank Update
Jan 1, 2005 - Happy New Year
hdpt00




msg:39618
 3:21 am on Jan 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Seeing PR being updated on 66.102.11.99 now as well as anotehr datacenter. No toolbar update showing as of yet.

Happy New Year.

 

dvduval




msg:39678
 10:38 pm on Jan 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes, this is mainly something visual. There is relatively no change in the serps. Probably the main this will affect is people who buy and sell links.

quotations




msg:39679
 11:51 pm on Jan 1, 2005 (gmt 0)

There is relatively no change in the serps

One site I watch closely was PR5 and is now PR6 and it moved in the SERPs from #9 to #6 for the only search term which matters.

Those rankings had not moved at all since March 2004.

A major competitor for that term went from PR6 to PR5.

Most of the rest of that page is PR7 or PR8.

Jon_King




msg:39680
 12:32 am on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Wouldn't you think that the PR update comes and then sometime later it's reflected in the serps, not the other way around :)

bether2




msg:39681
 12:40 am on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Wouldn't you think that the PR update comes and then sometime later it's reflected in the serps, not the other way around

From where I sit, it looks like the "real" PR update comes first and is reflected in the SERPs. Then the PR on the toolbar is updated some time after that.

Anyone else agree/disagree?

steveb




msg:39682
 1:12 am on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Page added December 24 showing pagerank.

[google.com...] PR9

[directory.google.com...] PR8

irishaff




msg:39683
 1:27 am on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Bether2

In the sector that I watch, PR has been rolled into the SERPS long before it hits the toolbar.

SteveB

That directory you link to , it shows differing PR to the toolbar. Has the toolbar been out oy Sync with the directory for a long time?

randle




msg:39684
 1:45 am on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Yes, definite PR changes for us here; 66.102.11.99

Bit of a mixed bag for us, some up, some down. Surprised at a few that went down. No changes in the Serpís, no change in some sandboxed sites.

seoArt




msg:39685
 2:00 am on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Great so far. I now have my first PR6 website!

Let me know if anyone has experienced this, it's happened to me twice now:

I have had two brand new sites that were promoted with many directory links, and the homepage has started off with a PR of 3 or 4, while the internal pages were all PR5. (And the homepages had more quality links pointing to them).

Anyone else seen that? Any ideas why?

2oddSox




msg:39686
 2:04 am on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Similar to Steveb, new site added just 6 days ago now has PR (albeit puny)(not using any specific dc settings).

bloke in a box




msg:39687
 2:19 am on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

My main site has gone from pr5 down to 4, bit upset really, thought I had done enough work to get it up to pr6 at least :[

JuniorOptimizer




msg:39688
 2:29 am on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Beats the 0s I'm seeing.

How can a site have 10,000 pages and no backlinks? If it's being banned, wouldn't they drop the pages?

Still getting lots of traffic, despite 0 backlinks at the update data centers.

2oddSox




msg:39689
 2:38 am on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

I must add...

The most ironic thing about this (for me) is that of all the sites that I have, the one with the biggest PR (6) now is the one that has been, ahem, 'sandboxed' for nearly a year now. Hardly any referrals from G, but plenty of requests for links from other webmasters.

steveb




msg:39690
 2:42 am on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Has the toolbar been out oy Sync with the directory for a long time?"

Yes.

In this case, the Directory PR is just older than the toolbar PR. The current Directory PR first appeared a couple weeks ago.

dickbaker




msg:39691
 3:56 am on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

OK, here's another question for those of you with extensive experience dealing with the "G."

I'm seeing most of the datacenters now showing a PR of 3 for my relatively new site, up from 2 when the site was first indexed.

There's only so many hours in a day, and only so much that can be accomplished. So, I have to divide my time between adding new content or cultivating new links.

If the PR update is, as some suggest, a quarterly event, it would seem that adding content should take priority over adding links.

Or am I just way off-base here?

Any and all opinions are much appreciated.

BillyS




msg:39692
 3:59 am on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have had two brand new sites that were promoted with many directory links, and the homepage has started off with a PR of 3 or 4, while the internal pages were all PR5. (And the homepages had more quality links pointing to them).

Make sure your home page PR is not being split. I just had this problem myself. For example, links were pointing to both widget.com and www.widget.com. Each of these had pagerank. I fixed this problem via redirects and mod_rewrite to make sure all the references to widget.com were directed to www.widget.com

irishaff




msg:39693
 4:02 am on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

SteveB,

My PR in the toolbar remains at 5 ( and I believe I can see the update from here now ). Whereas its six in the Directory and has been for some time now. Thus im quite dissapointed my toolbar PR has not gone up.

GuitarZan




msg:39694
 4:09 am on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Hey,

They must have updated the page rank or something. 2 sites that I monitor jumped in toolbar PageRank. One went from a 5 to a 6 and the other from 0 to 4.

Did they do the quarterly PR update today?

CathyM




msg:39695
 4:16 am on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

If the PR update is, as some suggest, a quarterly event, it would seem that adding content should take priority over adding links.

Just because the PR from new links is not yet visible on the toolbar, does not mean that it is not effective. IMO it is important to get PR up to the 4 - 5 range so that Google visits often. Content is important too, so keep working on both.

Stefan




msg:39696
 4:54 am on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

If the PR update is, as some suggest, a quarterly event, it would seem that adding content should take priority over adding links.

Content is always number one. Links are very important, as well, (so that you'll be found), but in the long-term content is what makes a site valuable for your visitors.

Atomic




msg:39697
 4:54 am on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

Wow. I love it. A site I started within the last 2 weeks is already showing a PR4 with only a few incoming links. Another I started after that about 10 days ago is showing a PR3 with maybe 2 incoming links.

steveb




msg:39698
 5:40 am on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

"Thus im quite dissapointed my toolbar PR has not gone up."

As stated above, the Google Directory and dmoz are showing lower PR (as is Google in general... the addurl page has gone to PR9 instead of being PR10 as it has been forever), so many people whose "best" link is from dmoz and/or the Google Directory will be seeing a PR drop. If you were a low PR6, you are likely a high PR5 now.

howiejs




msg:39699
 6:46 am on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

I just got a series of google alerts for my domains
link:www.

I only see this when backlinks update

irishaff




msg:39700
 7:03 am on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

SteveB,

What i mean is the indicator of the PR ( in the Dir. )for my site is showing 6, whereas the toolbar shows 5.

I cant grumble some of my other domains did well, but my " prize " site remains unchanged..not for long..

:)

David

boredguru




msg:39701
 10:09 am on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

I have a doubt.

My site's homepage can be reached with four urls.
domain.com PR2
www.domain.com PR4
www.domain.com/index.php PR4
www.domain.com/index.php?c=3 PR4

Is it better if i let it be the way it is or combine it all into www.domain.com/index.php.

If so how should it be done?

djgreg




msg:39702
 11:01 am on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

I am a bit confused about one thing. DMOZ has PR9 now, the first range of categories has PR8. I have a link in one of these categories wŪth a PR8. Since my site is listed there I had a PR7, but with this update I got a PR6, although the category-site has a PR8.

greg

redlined




msg:39703
 12:02 pm on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

PR 7 -> PR 6

PR 4 -> PR 5

PR 0 -> PR 3

So on the whole pretty good for me, small decrease on one site but increases on the other

And another site still firmly in the sandbox :)

Macro




msg:39704
 1:12 pm on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

The old PR9 of the DMOZ homepage seems to be worth a lower PR9 now. The same probably applies to their internal pages. If the visible value does not change that is not an indication that the PR itself hasn't changed.

With the drop in value of DMOZ and Google Directory pages there is a ripple effect resulting in generally lower PR for those of our pages that haven't recently acquired more links or benefitted from existing links gaining in value.

I'm hoping that when everyone returns to work there'll be a new thread with a more technical analysis from some of the experts here. It is my wild guess that there hasn't been a major shift in log scale used or other factors Google employs in the Toolbar PR calculation.

sandalwood




msg:39705
 1:19 pm on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

PR4 -> PR6(G directory also PR6)
PR5 -> PR6
PR2 -> PR4

markdidj




msg:39706
 2:17 pm on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

3->2 on homepage :(

Google can't handle my text resizing function. Up in all other search engines.

What a load of Googleplop

djgreg




msg:39707
 3:14 pm on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

On one of the sites I monitor, I saw a very funny thing.
The Homepge (www.homepage.com) has PR2 since about 3 years. (I never promoted the domain very hard)
But in the last months I set up new content and tried to promote the domain a bit more, which als means I got some more links to it.
Now the index.html has still PR2, while the first level pages have PR5, second level PR4 ...
That would mean that the homepage should have PR6 but it hasn't. Very cruel...

greg

seoArt




msg:39708
 3:30 pm on Jan 2, 2005 (gmt 0)

djgreg, that's similar to what has happened to a few of my sites. The homepage started off with less than the internal pages.

One site that happened to in the last update, caught up in this update though.

Oh, and to the guy that posted that it may be because Google is splitting the PR; I use 301's on all my sites so that's not the issue.

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