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Major Google Changes
Significant movements in rankings.
Imaster




msg:161205
 2:12 pm on Dec 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi,

It seems that a major google update is under way. I just checked www.google.com with the normal set of keywords that I generally use to monitor any changes and found what I believe is a major update. Now its back to original results. Its kinda on and off.

One of my site had a 50% increase in the number of pages crawled.

I hadn't much chance to check out whether the update spells good news or not, so lets keep our fingers crossed.

<Imaster adds>
The changes are visible on 216.239.39.104

[edited by: ciml at 2:15 pm (utc) on Dec. 16, 2004]
[edit reason] Addition [/edit]

 

shri




msg:161415
 10:50 am on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

>> maybe another consideration is the BL's haven't been factored into the serps yet so more changes could (hopefully) be on the cards over the weekend or next week

One can just hope, although this is a hugh speculative factor for me. Given the scope of this update, it falls outside the weekly rolling update, and looks and smells like an old fashioned update which spreads across the network.

May be we can expect BL, PR and other factors to start coming in next week and the algo to be tweaked?

tigger




msg:161416
 10:52 am on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

thats what I'm hoping for, a bit like the good old days

twebdonny




msg:161417
 12:38 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Remember when Googleguy used to show up and give some insights into what was occurring? Whatever happened to him? BTW, we lost significant traffic with this, what I will call, a "major" update.

Rajeev




msg:161418
 12:50 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

i think its for good...
Checked my rankings now

web site 1: #10-81
web site 2: ITS BAD
website 3 thats good
web site 4 very good

:) i am in for the changes...

Rajeev

[edited by: lawman at 1:26 pm (utc) on Dec. 18, 2004]
[edit reason] No specifics please [/edit]

DerekH




msg:161419
 1:12 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Please don't post URLs here - you are in breach of the Terms of Service - please edit your post to remove them before the Moderators do.
DerekH

malasorte




msg:161420
 1:39 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hello,

Please help! :)
I have a site on geocities.com, about astronomy. I was just included in google directory at the category
/Top/Science/Astronomy/Amateur/Deep_Sky_Observing/
My page is number 4 in the list. The green bar next to my site adress shows what i think is a page rank 6.
But when i check with google toolbar it shows that my site has a page rank 0... Why do i have a page rank in google directory, but no rank in the searche engine?
Many thanks!

Emil

needinfo




msg:161421
 2:53 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've noticed that many people are commenting on the number of results returned in their SERPs, me included. I personally think htere are two theories regarding this :

1. The fewer results returned in total means that the datacentre is lookng at an index with fewer pages in it and as so possibly cannot be classed as up to date OR that the filters are working correctly or are set too high possibly.

2. The more results in total means that a full index is being used.

Is there any general consensus of opinion regarding this?

larryhatch




msg:161422
 3:08 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

hello Malasorte:

I strongly suggest that you should register your own unique domain name.
Use something like your name here, plus dot-com or whatever,
but stop being a share-cropper.

NOBODY respects a Geocities site.

If I find myself at a Geocities site, I instantly hit the Back key.

An honest and unique domain can be purchased for surprisingly small sums of money.

There is an amazing correlation with Real Estate:
"Never rent, if you can buy."

- Larry

needinfo




msg:161423
 3:11 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Also when a lot of people were stating that their SERPS look bad on live but looked ok on 64.233.171.147 yesterday, mine looked like the old SERPS. After checking just now on 64.233.171.147 my sites look more like the live SERPS do, i.e. better.
So basically for the search terms I follow the SERPs are changing to be more like the live stuff on 64.233.171.147.

joeking




msg:161424
 3:30 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

There is an amazing correlation with Real Estate:
"Never rent, if you can buy."

It's better to rent when the real estate market is falling . . .

Stefan




msg:161425
 5:02 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

My page is number 4 in the list. The green bar next to my site adress shows what i think is a page rank 6.
But when i check with google toolbar it shows that my site has a page rank 0... Why do i have a page rank in google directory, but no rank in the searche engine?

malasorte, the Directory updates on a different schedule than the toolbar PR, (which in turn is on a different schedule than the true PR that G uses for the serps).

Did you check your toolbar PR in the past to see what it was? That is, was it PR6 before, or is the site brand new and still hasn't had the toolbar PR update, (they don't happen that often anymore)?

Also, you should edit out the specifics of your site location in your post before a Mod does it for you.

Powdork




msg:161426
 5:11 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Remember when Googleguy used to show up and give some insights into what was occurring? Whatever happened to him?
Take your pick

1. It was more fun for him when he was talking about something one could be proud of. I would be embarrassed to be a representative for their SE now, too. I'd be rich though.

2. Google is now a public company and his roll here has been limited to that of a champion of new products rather than a liaison between the SE and webmasters.

3. We say mean things about Google and it hurts his feelings.

4. Once the word 'sandbox' is mentioned in a thread, no google representative is allowed to comment in that thread.

5. All of the above.

DerekH




msg:161427
 5:44 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Or Googleguy is taking a well-earned rest from all this bickering, by cashing in a few shares and employing a full-time butler to pander to his every whim in a quiet retreat in the tropics.

Well, that's *my* dream scenario if it's not his!
DerekH

dvduval




msg:161428
 5:56 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

I will mention there have been comments by GoogleGuy in other forums in the last month, but again, nothing about the sandbox. It is very odd that they are 100% silent on this issue when they know it concerns many. At the very least, it is not very thoughtful off them.

nick35




msg:161429
 5:57 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

"Also when a lot of people were stating that their SERPS look bad on live but looked ok on 64.233.171.147 yesterday, mine looked like the old SERPS. After checking just now on 64.233.171.147 my sites look more like the live SERPS do, i.e. better.
So basically for the search terms I follow the SERPs are changing to be more like the live stuff on 64.233.171.147."

Yes something is up with this. When I checked late last night,
64.233.171.147 was showing even better results for me (and mine were good before this update)than two days ago. Two days ago it was showing where I had been for the last year. Now for certain keywords, I am even higher than I was. What is 64.233.171.147 and is it important? Last night for two hours I was getting the results of 64.233.171.147 consistently whenever I searched from two different computers and then it went back to the negative changes. Also, when I was getting the better results last night my backlinks were double.

Kangol




msg:161430
 6:08 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

64.233.171.147 gives fair reasults.
Anther strange thing. I am passing trough an HTTP proxy at 216.63.70.130 on port 80. This gives an Texas, Plano phizical location. On this IP I am getting SEPR from Google as seen on 64.233.171.147.
Ive seen this SEPR from other IPs also.

BTW I would love if GoogleGuy would let us know what is happening, I would also like to ask him why Google does nothing about forum and blog spam.

[edited by: Kangol at 6:13 pm (utc) on Dec. 18, 2004]

nick35




msg:161431
 6:13 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

"64.233.171.147 gives fair reasults."

I am glad to hear that. But the results are so different than the others, so do you think 64.233.171.147 will be the final results when this is all over or do you think this is just a glitch?

Hanu




msg:161432
 6:15 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

64.233.171.147 has ca. 25% fewer pages in the index for the kw I watch. It's not complete. Forget about it.

Powdork




msg:161433
 6:18 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

64.233.171.147 has ca. 25% fewer pages in the index for the kw I watch. It's not complete. Forget about it.
But still 2000% more than anyone would ever need to satisfy the query. The number of returned results is inaccurate and usually not worth much.
Kangol




msg:161434
 6:19 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

"will be the final results when this is all over or do you think this is just a glitch?"

on 64.233.171.147 - Results 1 - 10 of about 3,220,000
on google.com - Results 1 - 10 of about 11,500,000

I do not know nick35. I hate to say that I do not think that 64.233.171.147 will ever go live.

However 64.233.171.147 theoreticaly results are live if you are searching on www.google.com from Texas, Plano - enter trough a proxy an HTTP proxy at 216.63.70.130 on port 80

[edited by: Kangol at 6:23 pm (utc) on Dec. 18, 2004]

phantombookman




msg:161435
 6:22 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

be nice to get on .com to have a look, keep getting redirected all over the world!

tigger




msg:161436
 6:27 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

>64.233.171.147 has ca. 25% fewer pages in the index for the kw I watch. It's not complete. Forget about it.

I agree its currently showing 2,790,000 for one of the keywords monitor where as .com is 6,860,000 so I'd stop watching 64.233.171.147

highman




msg:161437
 6:57 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

.com Results 1 - 10 of about 253,000
64.233.171.147 Results 1 - 10 of about 607,000

Seems to be different for everyone - It looks like a rollback to pre 23/9 to me but without the full db added as yet

Long w/end ahead - but sitting pretty right now - bon chance!

Blackguy




msg:161438
 7:45 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

anybody saw anything about penalty for anchor text links? other than dupac

cabbie




msg:161439
 7:50 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>>Wheres GG? <<<
>>>Take your pick <<<

6. Google is so broke that noone can speak with any certainty or authority on it anymore.The Google Guys have created a monster that's taken a mind of its own and hundreds of PHD's are frantically trying to reign it back in.
So far with little success.

caveman




msg:161440
 8:20 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

>It's not complete. Forget about it.

Agree that if one is half of another, it's not done....

But, what if three different servers are showing slightly different totals - all with total results that are roughly double the amount shown on the 64.233.171.147 server? Is it necessarily so that of those three, the one with the highest number of results is furthest along? Not sure about that.

Question really being, do some results near the end of the process go *down* instead of up? Or do the totals reflect ALL possible results, regardless of penalties, filters, etc. that are being applied?

northweb




msg:161441
 9:05 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just got back. Are the results still jumping all over?

leoo24




msg:161442
 10:46 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

my affected site targets 2 fixed keywords with one variable keyword, "estate agents town, i have been focusing on one town, yesterday the live serps showed it at #100+, but on the "good" DC it had it's usual spot, all day today it has been one minute at the normal spot and the other at #100+, also with each change the number of results change.

When the site is where i want it to be there are more results.

nick35




msg:161443
 11:32 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

I just noticed something VERY BIZARRE. All of the keywords from my inner pages that I used to rank 1-5 for, are now ALL at 25. ALL OF THEM! How bizarre is that.

BillyS




msg:161444
 11:59 pm on Dec 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

After ranking #1 since about week #5 (website since May '04) for my own website's name, I am now ranking around #150. All of those websites above me are links to my site.

kpaul




msg:161445
 1:15 am on Dec 19, 2004 (gmt 0)

something's odd. at least, though, they kinda waited until the majority of the shopping season is over for most people.

i have a lot of internal links and dropped as well on a lot of keywords, fwiw...

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