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Major Google Changes
Significant movements in rankings.

 2:12 pm on Dec 15, 2004 (gmt 0)


It seems that a major google update is under way. I just checked www.google.com with the normal set of keywords that I generally use to monitor any changes and found what I believe is a major update. Now its back to original results. Its kinda on and off.

One of my site had a 50% increase in the number of pages crawled.

I hadn't much chance to check out whether the update spells good news or not, so lets keep our fingers crossed.

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The changes are visible on

[edited by: ciml at 2:15 pm (utc) on Dec. 16, 2004]
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 11:44 am on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

About two casks of single malt will be sufficient to let the dust settle. Will be back in two days or buy two more..

whisky sounds good right about now!


 11:46 am on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Judging by the number of people contributing to this thread it looks like another update like Aug 10, Aug 25, and Sept 23 - serious for those sites involved (including me) but limited to a fairly small percentage of sites.


 11:48 am on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

have any of those poeple affected by those updates recovered do you know?


 11:49 am on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Petehall, there are definitely some major shifts going on. I record certain high-perfoming keywords at every update, and they're all over the shop.

I'm not disputing that fact, I just see normal SERPs for our sites.


 11:56 am on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

lucky people those not affected...


 11:59 am on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

I had lost all my taffic on august/sept and it had come back but now again its showing me the old results.


 12:02 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)


one my sites lost 90% Google traffic 25 Aug and got nearly all back 23 Sept.

It's that same site again that has dropped down - including about 1600 3 word phrases that I have been #1 for over the past 3 years.


 12:06 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Im seeing the old results again where my sites doesnt rank. For a keyword i monitor it showed 391,000 (dont rank) then 540,000 for a day (where i rank) and now again its reverting back to 391,000 results.


 12:06 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks Iguana

must have been a nervewracking month!

my site in question is a real estate site for spain, and it ranked top #5 for "estate agents townname" for a good 100 towns, now all of them are sitting #100+


 12:10 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Alot of E-bay affiliate pages have taken over the SERPs in my field. Surely hope it doesn't stay like that. I can't imagine it will, but you never know...



 12:11 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi leoo24

just relax and have a good Christmas - it'll all change again in January. Although there will always be that nagging question of 'why my site...'


 12:11 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>It's that same site again that has dropped down - including about 1600 3 word phrases that I have been #1 for over the past 3 years

It looks like these are the sites most affected by whatever changes - real or imaginary - there are in the SERPS this week.

Sites that monitor that many keywords are bound to be highly optimised. ;)

Me, I hardly do any optimisation and I often forget to put even the <title> in new content pages. I check my stats once a month, check that my 10,000 per day Google referrals are still there, and I move on. The site hasn't been affected by Florida, California or Outer Mongolia. I won't bother checking now but I'll predict that when I do look at my figures at the end of the month they'll be perfectly fine. It'll be a decent growth from last December and I'll sit back and look again at the end of Jan.

Oh, yes, and I'm usually #1 for my keyword (not VERY competitive but fairly competitive anyway). Sometimes it drops to 3 or 4 but I do absolutely nothing and it goes back to #1. Brett's original Google guide still works. Among those who've seen big drops hands up those who chased no trend... from keyword density to PR to anchor text.


 12:20 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Puts hand up!

I have always designed sites the same way!

I have dozens of sites and this is the only one affected.


 12:24 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)


I am seeing some major changes in backlinks on my site. anyone else seeing this?


 12:25 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>Puts hand up!

Then sit back and it will resolve itself in time.


 12:33 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yes, Macro, having a site that tries to capture a lot of very specific phrases has it's dangers (although Florida etc didn't affect it that much). The ODP linked pages have only dropped a few places but others have dropped to lower pages.

However, its nothing I'm going to worry about. I will lose 60% of my traffic but in terms of income it will only drop 30% because return visitors and particularly Yahoo searchers are very good for me.


 12:58 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

A sure sign of Google having problems is when the same URL appears multiple times in the serps. Seeing that a lot right now.

Yes, I am seeing the same thing. I can see some sites appearing on every page, which I don't think I've ever seen before.


 1:24 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

I am seeing a reversal of SERPS now to previous state.

Any1 Else?


 1:26 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>>>>Any1 Else?

No - but that is normal behaviour depending on which datacentre you hit.


 1:39 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Right, I changed my proxy server in my browser and now see the other results...yuccckkkk, and I had such hope.

January cannot come fast enuff


 1:41 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

having a major decrease in traffic over the last 24 hours.

Down to around 20% of normal traffic....DOH!

Hope it settles in the next couple of days.


 1:44 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

What Datacenter / IP address are these results on?

I'm seeing no changes!


 1:48 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

things seem to have settled, for the worse, on the live serps, but if i go to

i see the positions i should/did have, does anyone else who's dropped get good results at


 1:48 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

wow, what a morning. <ugh>

some of my rankings "seem" like they've been turned back two or three months, but that can easily be just an appearance.

in then end though, i'll get on with my original list of things to do for the day and check back next week. i don't imagine things are in their final state already.


 1:55 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

I see a backlink change but no change in ranking for the keywords I follow. But as usual, the backlinks they show us are mostly meaningless.


 2:04 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

i see the positions i should/did have, does anyone else who's dropped get good results at

The results there remind me of happier days.


 2:07 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

I agree that the clock seems to have turned back. I'm what I would call clean optimised and I've moved back up.

I see less effect from internal backlinks.

A few months back a big internal link player (from 1000s of their own pages) came in a knocked me and another site down a place. Our sites are now back in front; while they have slipped down beneath us. Just a modest shuffle really.

Similarly, pages have moved up the SERPS that I have been gathering a few external backlinks for.

Nothing that could be called major update though in my area....


 2:08 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

90+ % loss of traffic here. My site is virtually dead, from a Google perspective.

My site was one of the leading directory sites in a very competitive niche market.

I had assumed I was the benefit of the 'hilltop' factor, and that my site was pretty much immune to the big changes that affected sites on a monthly/quarterly basis. I had reached that assumption based on roughly two years of virtually no negative movement within the SERPS, even as significant changes had been made to Googles algorythms.

I do not use blackhat SEO, and the site is constantly receiving requests for inclusion, so the inbound links to it grow almost every day.

The point of this post is that I'm curious as to whether or not the others affected, also thought they were 'hilltop' sites?

Also, can anyone who was a 'hilltop' site, who lost traffic in prior Google changes, give any insight into what unfolded for them within the next 3-6 months after their sites lost traffic?


 2:12 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Looks like my traffic is down about 90%. Most of my traffic is from "loosly targeted" keywords.

Bah humbug. At least the last two weeks have been really good.

worker, I am not familiar enough with Hilltop to know if that kept me afloat. I have always maintained a fairly constant level of traffic since the change from monthly to "constant" dance.

I have a fairly large amount of database generated content from a major affilate. I got onto that bandwagon before it became a bandwagon. I've considered that market oversaturated and dying for quite some time. This may be the death blow.

[edited by: peterdaly at 2:31 pm (utc) on Dec. 17, 2004]


 2:29 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yup we are seeing it on our google tracking site too, changes have been seen on increase over the last 2, days from a lot of the sites we are tracking...


 2:31 pm on Dec 17, 2004 (gmt 0)

i see the positions i should/did have, does anyone else who's dropped get good results at

Yes, the results on this IP are the "old" serps - ie, what I was seeing before the recent change.

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