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Banned or Not banned from Google.. How do we know?
cdnmarket




msg:127345
 2:13 am on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Has anyone here retrieved information from google saying why their website has been banned?
We assume our website is banned and cannot get a proper answer. When we sent off questions regarding why our website has vanished from their search engine, we recieved an automated reply just like thousands of other missing website owners have recieved.

Has anyone actually recieved reason to their website being banned directly from google? Has anyone recieved an answer as to when their website would be possibly unbanned if banned? Last but not least has anyone appealed their website for being banned.

These are issues we have regarding our website listing in google. We would enjoy hearing what other businesses have experienced in regards to this issue.

 

decaff




msg:127346
 8:24 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

cdnmarket,

You are running multiple search related sites from within one Class C Block and it looks like you are crosslinking some of your sites from all interior pages...this is bad...Google will catch this type of cross linking ... and a penalty will be evoked...or a complete ban..

You may view this type arrangement as valid for your user traffic...but Google looks at this as a link farm and an attempt to game their system...

<snip>
etc...etc..

Not sure how you correct this...
Trying to discover how Google has penalized you is really simple..
go to Google and type in site:www.yourdomainname.com (or whatever the domain extension is) and take a look at how your results set (if any) is represented...

Try this for any of your domains...and you will what I am referring to for your canadiansearch property..

Right now your primary canadian search site does not bring back any results...this would be a complete removal from goole..

[edited by: Brett_Tabke at 9:29 pm (utc) on Dec. 6, 2004]
[edit reason] please no specific kw's...thanks [/edit]

rfgdxm1




msg:127347
 9:15 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Easiest way to find out if your site is banned: try a search where your site would be the only one that would match. Such as a complete sentence in quotes. If your site comes up for that search, it is indexed by Google. Note that if the site doesn't come up, it doesn't mean it necessarily was banned. Googlebot may not have yet found the site; or if it had previously on the last crawl was unable to reach the server for some reason.

cdnmarket




msg:127348
 9:32 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks guys for trying, however you both didn't answer our question:

"Has anyone actually recieved reason to their website being banned directly from google? Has anyone recieved an answer as to when their website would be possibly unbanned if banned? Last but not least has anyone appealed their website for being banned. "

Thats what we are asking, lets see some answers. Has anyone here experienced the same problem?

OptiRex




msg:127349
 9:55 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

>Has anyone actually recieved reason to their website being banned directly from google?

Yes

>Has anyone recieved an answer as to when their website would be possibly unbanned if banned?

Yes

>Last but not least has anyone appealed their website for being banned.

Yes

People have written about re-inclusion etc therefore check the search facility on this site.

Yep, it may take a bit of work unless one of those just happen to read this thread.

cdnmarket




msg:127350
 10:00 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

So give us some details, who did you contact and how?
What type of representitive gave you information?
Share with us your experience, that would be great...

Thanks :)

Stefan




msg:127351
 10:02 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

"Has anyone actually recieved reason to their website being banned directly from google?

The reason given when people actually get a response is usually along the lines of, "Your site does not meet our quality guidelines". You have to understand that if G were to say exactly why sites were banned, then it would be easier for people to game their serps.

Has anyone recieved an answer as to when their website would be possibly unbanned if banned?

I believe the usual G response would be along the lines of, "when you clean things up, resubmit the site". Some sites seem to get banned for ever though... it's often easier just to start over with a new domain.

Last but not least has anyone appealed their website for being banned.

It's not a court of law. There is no appeal process. Google giveth and Google taketh away.

<edit>Fixed tag... sorry about that</edit>

[edited by: Stefan at 10:07 pm (utc) on Dec. 6, 2004]

DerekH




msg:127352
 10:06 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Google giveth and Google taketh away

And yet, forsooth, Google never giveth twice, for that would invoke a duplicate penalty...
DerekH

cdnmarket




msg:127353
 10:08 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Your right they don't need any reason at all and can pull any #1 website for no reason whatsoever anytime they want and for no reason whatsoever.

This must make any webmaster feel wonderful about someday making it to the top.

skunker




msg:127354
 10:09 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

So we can't cross link our sites from interior pages? I don't understand....all of my sites have a navigation menu, like a table of contents and contain links to all of my other sites in my website network.

Is this bad?

bcolflesh




msg:127355
 10:11 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Your right they don't need any reason at all and can pull any #1 website for no reason whatsoever anytime they want and for no reason whatsoever.

We're glad you agree!

cdnmarket




msg:127356
 10:14 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

I really don't see much literature from google, leaving too many questions and opportunities for businesses to be removed from their system, with no reason at all and even banned permanently. About their "banning procedures" it is just a matter of time I presume before more businesses ask the same type of questions (which I am sure lots already have).

bcolflesh




msg:127357
 10:17 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

...it is just a matter of time

Don't worry - I'm sure you'll exact your revenge someday.

cdnmarket




msg:127358
 10:20 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

I guess the only way to be sure your listed in google is to pay.

Stefan




msg:127359
 10:28 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hey Skunker

So we can't cross link our sites from interior pages? I don't understand....all of my sites have a navigation menu, like a table of contents and contain links to all of my other sites in my website network.

Is this bad?

To a good extent, it seems to be matter of degree. People who post here, that have been booted because of cross-linking between sites, usually have done so on every page for many sites. If you're just doing it on the site-map for the sites, and it's not massive, then it's probably no problem. Nothing is guaranteed, of course. Do you really need all that cross-linking between sites? If it's good for your visitors, keep it, otherwise read up on stuff at WW on link-farming and see if it might cause you problems in the future. If you haven't had problems yet, though, I wouldn't panic.

[edited by: Stefan at 10:29 pm (utc) on Dec. 6, 2004]

OptiRex




msg:127360
 10:28 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

cdnmarket

>So give us some details, who did you contact and how?
What type of representitive gave you information?
Share with us your experience, that would be great...

You just do not read what people write:

>People have written about re-inclusion etc therefore check the search facility on this site.

>Yep, it may take a bit of work unless one of those just happen to read this thread.

Where did I write that it was me who had experienced this?

Nowhere, absolutely nowhere did I write it was me. You did this in your last thread and you're doing it again. You're trying to get everyone else to do the work you ought to do so get searching the archives here for others' experiences.

Stefan has told you and if you don't want to learn from that advice, which I very much doubt you will, then I'll leave you to moan on...unless you're going to pay for my expertise that is?

walkman




msg:127361
 10:35 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

"Thats what we are asking, lets see some answers"

yes sir. I will drop everthing to make sure that happens.

eyezshine




msg:127362
 10:44 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

I don't think cross linking get's you banned.I have about 9 sites that were all doing great in google and they were all cross linked to each other.

I started reading about cross linking being bad so I un cross linked all the sites (about 5 months ago) and now all of the sites are in the "sandbox" and 2 got banned. Why would that happen?

One of the sites was major popular and was #1 for a 5 letter keyword for over 3 years.

Every page was linked to every home page of every site. When I ud-did it all, that's when all sites began to rank poorly. So just the other day I re-linked them all back together and I will let you know if it helps any. The sites can't hardly do any worse so what the hey?

Stefan




msg:127363
 10:59 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hey eyeszhine, report back when you see what happens. You read posts here saying, "no problem, I link between all my sites and everything's fine". There are other posts by people like the one who started this thread, where it often boils down to them having been booted because of link-farming. I've alway wondered where the tipping point is.

Skunker, sorry man, realized it's in your navigation stuff, prob on every page eh? I was thinking you'd stuffed them on a particular page on every site.

cdnmarket, you have to learn to use the site search here. It's a great resource. It's near the top of the page, right under where it says, "Welcome cdnmarket". That was the main reason I registered at WW in the first place.

BigDave




msg:127364
 11:12 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

GG dropped a hint at one point that you don't get banned just for cross-linking.

That doesn't mean that it will not be taken into account along with other factors dureing a manual review.

And it is fairly safe to assume that clusters that cross-link on a massive enough scale to make a difference in the SERPs are also probably doing something else to cause concern.

You should just ask yourself, when you do something like that, whether a human looking at your sites would think that you are trying to game the system.

easily spotted cross linking would just cause them to look deeper. Judging from how easy problems have been spotted by people who know what his sites are, I would be willing to bet that there are even more issues.

Now, when it comes time to request reinclusion, you can bet that you have to clean your site up well beyond the requirements for banning.

If you ask to be reincluded, ant they check your site, and right away spot that cross-linking, I doubt that they will go much farther.

In fact, I suspect that there will actually be value judgements. Does the site provide enough uniquely worthwhile information to be worth the effort?

If you spit in my face, you have to do a lot more than wipe the spit off to get back in my good graces.

DerekH




msg:127365
 11:23 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

If you spit in my face, you have to do a lot more than wipe the spit off to get back in my good graces.

That is brilliant!

If I steal your quotation, do I have even more to do?
DerekH

BigDave




msg:127366
 11:29 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

You have license to steal my quotation with the required attribution of laughing at it each time you use it.

DerekH




msg:127367
 11:29 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

cdnmarket wrote
I guess the only way to be sure your listed in google is to pay.

yup - you guess.

The rest of us (if you want a hint). tend to guess in private and only go into print when we have something concrete.
Thinking out loud has a habit of being a bit embarrassing in the cold light of day.

But are you correct?
I think not.
I see many good sites ranking well in Google, and I don't think that the likes of DMOZ, YAHOO and the various news sites paying.
They really seem to be ranked on quality.
DerekH

DerekH




msg:127368
 11:33 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

BigDave wrote
You have license to steal my quotation with the required attribution of laughing at it each time you use it.

<guffawwwwwwwwww!>

Is that enough?

And thanks - I think the good humour (sorry, humor) here is something very special - I feel part of a great team of special people.

? Did one of you just <guffawwwww>? Sincerity is not one of my strengths...

DerekH

cdnmarket




msg:127369
 11:36 pm on Dec 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Here we go again...Lots of answers yet noone has actually been thru the experience. I am asking if anyone will come forward with the exact same experience. Instead I am getting people answering the questions yet they never actually had been banned.

My first statement should of read:
"Has anyone Personally" not "Has anyone"...

I want to hear from people this has actually happened to. I didn't ask about link farms *chuckle*

Lets get to the facts. There is no way to honestly tell if your website is banned by the google team it seems. Secondly there is no real answers as to how long their bans are. And thirdly there is no reason in the world required for them to ban you. If there was such a reason they should provide it.

Now... Lets ask this question again,

"Has anyone PERSONALLY recieved reason to their website being banned directly from google? Has anyone recieved an answer as to when their website would be possibly unbanned if banned? Last but not least has anyone appealed their website for being banned."

Lets hope we hear from some users that had mishaps in this field so we can find how they resolved their mishap. Or hear from people who are asking these same exact questions, and got nowhere.

Rugles




msg:127370
 12:01 am on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well, I have had a site banned. Did I do something to deserve it.... you bet. We all ride a fine line at sometime. If you play with fire and get burned, don't be surprised. You are acting like google owes you a number one ranking.

Cdnmarket, you do not seemed very concerned in why you were banned. I guess it is because you are more concerned in taking another shortcut to success instead of learning how to avoid this mistake in the future.

If you want to know how to get back in the index. Back off on some of your optimization. Delete some cross-linked domains, move a site or two to another IP address. Then wait, if that does not work, back off a little more. There is not shortcut for this problem.

Then apologize for your terse, demanding behavior to the members of this forum.

Stefan




msg:127371
 12:06 am on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well said, Rugles.

Cdnmarket, from the site search, (I'm sure there are better threads with regard to this, but I only spent about two minutes lookin):

[webmasterworld.com...]

BigDave




msg:127372
 12:20 am on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Has anyone PERSONALLY had their sites banned? Of course.

Have I personally had a site banned? No. I provide informational sites and have no need to walk that fine line.

Have any sites that I have reported gotten banned? You betcha.

Have I helped anyone that was banned to clean up their site and get reincluded? Yup, done that too.

Has Google ever told anyone that their site was banned and why? Yup. I've seen GoogleGuy do it. But it has been very rare, and never for anyone that is being rude.

Of course, you would know all of this if you would use the site search and spend some time reading.

Or, since bans were a lot more common two or three years ago, you can just go back and read some of the archive from back then. It seemed that every fifthe thread was about getting banned.

eyezshine




msg:127373
 12:46 am on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Now your site just gets put in the supplimental index where you can see it's indexed but no one else finds your pages in searches.

I just don't see how cross linking can be bad. Why can't I advertise all of my sites from every page of all of my sites? It sounds kind of stupid to penalize for that.

Plus banning sites for that would mess up googles Page Rank algo and make it not true. This is not link farming.

Link farming was caused by thousands of websites putting link pages on their sites that were identical to each other with links to all websites that were in the program. The link farms got banned because of the dupe content filter. Not the fact that they linked to each other.

If those link farms were smart they would have made the webmasters use their own templates and unique content to surround the actual links on the pages. Which would have not tripped the dupe content filter.

I think google is more serious about duplicate content than they are about cross linking.

No search engine wants a bunch of the same content cluttering up their results. and that is exactly what the link farms did. They filled up googles database with thousands of dupe pages.

eyezshine




msg:127374
 12:54 am on Dec 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

An example I have of googles dupe content filter was when one of my sites used up all it's bandwidth for that month, my host put up a page saying "This customer used up all it's monthly bandwidth" etc...

Every page on my site got that message! All code 200 OK. When google spidered my pages and seen every page was the same content, it got banned and was dropped from the index all in one day!

It is still not in the index and that was about 6 months ago.

So I am sure that google is serious about dupe content. I am not with that host anymore and have a dedicated server. One reason a dedicated server should be #1 priority if you're serious about your website.

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