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links to old domain and new domain same in Google
also, sandbox Q
shinyblue

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Msg#: 26763 posted 7:55 am on Nov 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

I used to have a domain widgets.foo.org and moved it to it's own domain widgets.net last May.

I used to run a search every so often on the links to the old site, to see who is still linking to it so I could write them a note saying to please change to the new URL. And I'd check how many backlinks my new domain had.
Well today I tried it and link:widgets.foo.org and link:widgets.net show the same exact backlinks. Is this new? And how do I see who is linking to the old site now?

Also, I used to have #1 rankings for a number of different key phrases for the old domain. The new domain doesn't rank in Google at all - 7 months later. I assume this is the sandbox effect? And not some duplicate content type penalty? I used a 301 to redirect the old domain to the new.

 

mipapage

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Msg#: 26763 posted 10:02 am on Nov 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm having the same sort of problem with a site, shinyblue. I haven't had theh 301 in place long enough yet though...

Google does sometimes rollback, but 7 months along seems a bit weird, maybe someone else can chime in with help?

Thought I'd pass this on though... One thing that has helped me is setting up a simple tracking script with PHP and mySQL that records inbound referers and landing pages on the old domain - this has helped me to clean up (e-mail people with) inbound links as it is much more reliable than google's backlink checker.

petehall

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Msg#: 26763 posted 11:22 am on Nov 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

If I were you I'd make widgets.foo.org the primary domain name and put a 301 redirect on widgets.net.

Thanks to age (I believe age of backlinks) being a huge weighting factor of current rankings, its not a good idea to move an established site onto a new domain.

Having said this I wouldn't imagine MSN Beta will be encountering the same sort of problem ranking your new site accordingly ;-)

shinyblue

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Msg#: 26763 posted 3:51 pm on Nov 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've changed a lot of my incoming links to widget.net and I'm not going to switch back now. That's the thing - the backlinks are showing the same for either domain, but some of them are too the new site and some are to the old. But they all being lumped into one in the Google search for backlinks.

Anyhoo I switched in order to be able to add AdSense to my site, at the time they weren't allowing subdomains of other sites to be in the program (not sure if that's changed or not).

jonrichd

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Msg#: 26763 posted 4:11 pm on Nov 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

With respect to the backlinks showing up under both sites, I believe it is because G now recognizes that the old domain has moved permanently to the new one, and is assigning backlink credit to the new domain (that's what you wanted, anyway).

With respect to not ranking on the new domain, I have had this experience with a domain as well. I spoke to Matt Cutts at Pubcon, and asked him about the advisability of switching from www.widgetsinc.com to www.widgets.com (an actual issue with one of my clients).

He replied that he thought that wouldn't be a good idea right now, although the situation might change in the future. He did recommend putting a 301 link from widgets.com to widgetsinc.com in the short run to avoid a duplicate content penalty.

RoySpencer

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Msg#: 26763 posted 4:16 pm on Nov 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Having the same exact problems here, shinyblue....changed domain name, and G's backlinks eventually became identical between the old and new names. We finally removed the 301 redirects, and had all pages under the old name removed from Google's index, in order to (hopefully) completely separate the old from the new name in Google's mind. Still, our SERPs rankings are terrible (e.g. being #1 in beta.search.msn.com, but not in the top 1,000 in Google?!?). We are still leaning on Google to give us some insight...the above suggestion about the age of backlinks being important might be involved somehow.

petehall

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Msg#: 26763 posted 5:49 pm on Nov 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've changed a lot of my incoming links to widget.net and I'm not going to switch back now. That's the thing - the backlinks are showing the same for either domain, but some of them are too the new site and some are to the old. But they all being lumped into one in the Google search for backlinks.

Just remember by "changing" links you have in effect created new links to widget.net, not restored / redirected old links to the new domain.

You could have branded the site widgets.net and used the old domain for SERPs. This is what we have had to do in the past.

I think its highly likely that you'll climb back up the results in the near future.

Trisha

10+ Year Member



 
Msg#: 26763 posted 10:48 pm on Nov 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

jonrichd - "He replied that he thought that wouldn't be a good idea right now" - sounds like he more or less admitted that the sandbox was real then, even if unintentional.

Did he actually use the words 'might change'? I hope he didn't really mean 'might'!

When was this - at one of the sessions or in one of the bars?

shinyblue

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Msg#: 26763 posted 10:19 pm on Nov 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

With respect to the backlinks showing up under both sites, I believe it is because G now recognizes that the old domain has moved permanently to the new one, and is assigning backlink credit to the new domain (that's what you wanted, anyway).

Yes - that is what I want I suppose. But it doesn't make any sense to me that they would treat the two sites as one in terms of backlinks but then still sandbox the new domain. And if they are put together as the same, then wouldn't the age of the backlinks to the first site carry over to the second?

I think its highly likely that you'll climb back up the results in the near future.

That would be nice =). Seriously Google can't keep this sandbox thing up forever.

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