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Huge change in SERPs, next crawl completes?
Now perhaps we'll see the effect of PR 0

 10:32 am on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)

Now that Google has updated PR, shouldn't we expect a very big change in SERPs when the next crawl completes. Google is definitely crawling again, this crawl should factor in all those PR changes into the SERPs.

Was there hidden PR all along or was "internal PR" frozen as well?

I have quite a few pages that went to PR 0 zero in May they have finally come back to their former pre-May PR. Their SERPs were in the 30's to 40's but when PR went to 0 they went to the 300's to 400's.

Will they be back?

Interesting to see next crawl finishing?



 9:21 am on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

My experience has always been that a potential impact of the PR always show PRIOR to public PR change. But it might just be me...

Pass the Dutchie

 2:40 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

yea adfree I second that. PR used to and probably still does lag behind the SERPs.


 8:42 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

PR has been updated many many times over the last three months. The currect "PR Update" is simply updating the data the google toolbar uses.

Thus there is no SERP change to coincide with the toolbar update.


 7:42 am on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

It's generally observed that an SERPS update follows within 15 days of the PR update. But you can't rely on Google's history because it doesnt' repeat itself. Lets wait and watch. It's alsomot 11 months to the last major update (florida, 15th Nov)and i can contemplate some such hurricane striking again the island of web.


 7:59 am on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)


ahhhm... "it is generally observed"? Where did you get that from?

Imagine a series. babababababababab..... Now imagine that a is the SERP update and b is the PR update. Which one comes first at any moment of time but the very beginning? The chicken or the egg?

The answer to the question is more or less irrelevant, the only thing that can be said is that a SERP update comes before as well as after a PR update, but which one is cause and which one is effect may remain a mystery to us...



 11:21 am on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I am a Mozart Fan! You can make me dance to your rhymes man! ;>)

SERPS update has always followed after PR update. It's only now(since last 6-8 months) that Goolge has almost obsoleted the relevance of PR(or we can 99% assume that)in orchestrating the SERPS otherwise the criteria has always been like this. Identification of new pages on the web, assigning of the PR(importance) and then weighting all the pages to bring out the SERPS.
Even if you don't agree, i'll still be your fan!

Pass the Dutchie

 12:12 pm on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I can illustrate an example of 'Chicken or the Egg' with regard to new sites. I would normally know when a new site was about to get it's PR about 15 days before the update as the position in the SERPS changed dramatically. When the PR was updated there would be no great change in SERPS. The next boost in the SERPs would then come 15 days before the next PR update (assuming the updates were monthly and if any new backlinks were picked up)

Assuming nothing has changed in the update Algo (!?!?!?) and from my previous experience I would have to say, SERP then PR.


 12:38 pm on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

My homepage went from a 7 to a 6 and all sub pages went from 6 to 5 and two days later I went from continuous first page listings for my 3 key terms to being at best #19.


 1:54 pm on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

It's alsomot 11 months to the last major update (florida, 15th Nov)and i can contemplate some such hurricane striking again the island of web.
I like the sound of this, Webnewton. Are there any other clues we could follow?

 3:46 pm on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yesterday, My listing is appeared in top 5 and today they are disappeared. I don't know why, because I haven't changed any things.
Is it Google Update to affect many of listings?


 4:07 pm on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well all i can say is its about time Google made some changes in the serps. They suck right now for the cat's we monitor. Mainly spam and junk sites. Nothing good to say about Google these days thats for sure. (and no, not just because we aren't coming up in the serps.)

Lets see some changes Google.


 4:39 pm on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yes, what you said.

I've seen 2-3 points over the year since Florida where the serps go to crap, with spam in there as if this was some newbie SE in 1996, then they seem to fix it.

Right now I think they need a fix, although some serps are cleaner than others, many are bad bad bad.


 5:04 pm on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well, Google hit my site for 15k hits last nite again, and another 500mb of bandwidth. And now I've dropped from page 2 to page 4 in the SERPS! I mean, here's my months stats for this month alone (12 days into it):

Googlebot (Google) 34063+207 955.51 MB

I have seen some of the less-relevant sites dropping out of my main keywords, however, so perhaps Google is just stabilizing their results? Hopefully I won't stay this low for good, I've been busting my butt to get to page 1!



 5:50 pm on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

something is definately happening I believe. The gbot activity matched with serps changes.
My area is normally very static but has changed in the last 24 hrs or so.

Interestingly 2 pages that spam my company name and have been on the first page for over a year have disappeared!

If there is an update let's hope they get it right


 7:42 pm on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

"SERPS update has always followed after PR update."

Only if you define "always" the same as you define "never".

If you believed the above then you must believe that a new site/page won't appear in the serps until 15 days after it gets PR. Of course that is not true. New toolbar PR is only displayed significantly after results changes. The serps changes around Sept 23 correlated with the new toolbar PR. Google doesn't need to see the green bar display before it can do its own math!

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