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Page Rank Updated
Yes, its true
HayMeadows




msg:192759
 9:11 pm on Oct 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Starting to see updated page ranks!

 

Larryhat




msg:192969
 4:01 pm on Oct 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hello all:

Everybody hates spam, and I can see a Via6ra ad a mile away. Out of all of those, one actually made me laugh however. It was entitled (get ready)

"Supersize your (you name it)" .. something like that.

Kudos to ONE spammer who made me laugh. The rest can rot in hell.

AprilS




msg:192970
 8:26 pm on Oct 9, 2004 (gmt 0)

Almost all of my interanal pages are now a PR6 like my homepage..... but it seems to have made NO difference in where I'm listed in search results. But, right now its a good example of a PR6 site with thousands of pages and not being listed on the first few pages of results.

mbush27




msg:192971
 4:17 am on Oct 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

Can anybody guess at when the next backlinks update will occur? I believe the last one was around 9/11/04, and the one before that was about a month prior.

Matt

steve128




msg:192972
 11:59 pm on Oct 10, 2004 (gmt 0)

Why oh Why does people get so upset by SPAM, the searcher is at fault, not the guy making the website.

If i want to order viagra i search "buy, best price order viagra" or similar. So the results are ok?

When I get .edu I get annoyed..I don't want the friggin chem formula, ..can't you read g...I want to buy the friggin stuff.

So how is google supposed to handle a search query for "viagra"

OK, maybe a bad example but you must get the idea.

But if a guy is not wanting to buy, all he/she needs is "chemical formula viagra" and then all you get is directories ;-)

bears5122




msg:192973
 12:33 am on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Actually the fault is the search engines. Spammers are simply doing things that the search engines find as releavant.

steve128




msg:192974
 12:55 am on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

>Actually the fault is the search engines. Spammers are simply doing things that the search engines find as releavant.<

Yep rele~vant is the optimum phrase; if you need advise on searching please pm me -;))

europeforvisitors




msg:192975
 3:20 am on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

So how is google supposed to handle a search query for "viagra"

OK, maybe a bad example but you must get the idea.

Actually, it's a pretty good example, and the answer is simple:

Because Google's stated mission is to "organize the Web's information and make it universally accessible," the default behavior should be to provide information results such as the manufacturer's official Web site, FDA factsheets, articles or academic studies, etc.

(If the search were performed with Froogle, one would expect commercial results.)

scenpro




msg:192976
 9:06 pm on Oct 8, 2004 (gmt 0)

Can someone tell me if 3 or 4 of their pages show up on google at a certain time and then 2 hours later 3 or 4 other pages show up and the other 3 or 4 pages are gone? (I'm using 3 or 4 as an example). This seems to go on all day for the past while for me
who's got the answers?

DerekH




msg:192977
 4:26 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Welcome to Webmaster World scenpro

When you make a request to Google, load balancers route your request to one of a number of data centres. Each nominally keeps a full index, but the various data centres often get slightly out of step. What you're seeing is almost certainly this effect, and it means that your site hasn't made it in its entirety to all the data centres yet.

Relax - it will happen, but may take some time.
DerekH

scenpro




msg:192978
 6:19 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks
But some of my pages have been up for a long time. one would think that they wouldn't bounce on and off google anymore.

g1smd




msg:192979
 6:41 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have seen some four year old pages dropping in and out of the SERPs in the last few days; and at the moment the duplicate content filter seems to be wired up using cable borrowed from Norman Collier.

soapystar




msg:192980
 6:41 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

yes, i am seeing the old I AM NOWHERE..I REFRESH PAGE OR REPEAT SEARCH...I SHOW AGAIN....problem....

scenpro




msg:192981
 7:04 pm on Oct 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

even now i check my tracker- look for the search that was done 15 mins ago and it's gone from google (this has been going on for 3 weeks approx)
and for some reason i can't get over 100 hits a day and every day it seems it's on a different topic one day's "table" the next day it's "horses" for an example

Abigail




msg:192982
 1:59 am on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Gotcha - same thing going on here. Some days worse then others. Very unnerving along with everything else......

wellzy




msg:192983
 2:34 am on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

This has been going on for some time now. I basically notice 3 different sets of results for the terms I track.

wellzy

scenpro




msg:192984
 2:52 am on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

as of 10:54 Monday I have no idea what's going on. I have had so many new searchs i have never seen before (last 2 hours- I'm not complaining) hopefully it continues- let the google deep throat crawl come

steveb




msg:192985
 3:01 am on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Using [google.com...] I'm getting lots of search pages (set for 100 results)that go like 501 to 563, then click next and go from 601 to 664, then next 701 to 729, etc.

Sites bouncing in and out; some duplicate listings; I've seen these two plenty of times, but this bizarro display and numbering is a new one.

g1smd




msg:192986
 3:02 am on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

... but now the Cache date for many pages has reverted to 2nd October (at around 09:00 UTC). Up until a few hours ago those same pages had a 10th October (around 02:00 UTC) cache date, and I just checked in to see if the new content (uploaded late in the day on October 10th) had been cached yet. It hasn't.

Scarecrow




msg:192987
 3:23 am on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've been getting seriously squeezed the last few weeks, in that thousands of my deep pages have switched from "fully indexed" to "URL-only listing." Also, the ranking has gone down for those that remain.

I have a fantasy that Google is squeezing the old index onto fewer servers, so as to make room for a rebuilt index that is driven by different software. It happens gradually, server by server. So far we're still seeing what remains of the old index. At some point they'll switch over to the new index on the new software, when enough servers are loaded and tested, and then the old index will be wiped to free up the remaining servers. Then we'll all live happily ever after.

But I'm probably wrong....

scenpro




msg:192988
 3:30 am on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

UPDATE:
As of 11:30 I'm getting searches on pages that have been up for 1/2 a year that have never been hit with these searches before and now they are top 30 on very competitive phrases
And one of my main pages was 'scanned' on the 11th (today) which is a bit weird considering it usually shows up a couple days after a crawl

DaveAtIFG




msg:192989
 6:08 pm on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Can someone tell me if 3 or 4 of their pages show up on google at a certain time and then 2 hours later 3 or 4 other pages show up and the other 3 or 4 pages are gone?

I've been seeing this since about 9/24-25. I check a few stable, non-spammy sites several times a day and see new freshness tags and shuffling in the SERPs every 12 to 24 hours.

The last time I saw Google do this was 11/27/03 to 12/12/03 and I believe it's a major update in progress. I've been waiting for someone else to notice and post about it. :)

Craig_F




msg:192990
 6:21 pm on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

not sure this is related, but either last night or this morning, I've seen a massive jump in indexed pages across 4 sites I watch closely.

CromeYellow




msg:192991
 7:28 pm on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I believe it's a major update in progress

Looks that way to me, I'm seeing some serious changes on our SERPS; I just hope they keep changing - the way they are just now is a little unpleasant!

Kirby




msg:192992
 8:10 pm on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

>Using [google.com...]

Im getting these results on google.com more often than not.

The last day or so I've noticed distinct serps changes for what has been very stable serps. I'll be surprised if this isnt the start of some kind of shake-up.

WebFusion




msg:192993
 8:17 pm on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Starting to see some major movement in our sector as well...

scenpro




msg:192994
 8:25 pm on Oct 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

UPDATE:
as of 4:30 (my time- and all day for that matter) I'm back down to misserable levels i was just before the 'spike' i had last night (unless no one in the world is searching for what i have up- which is impossible)
when i do a allin (or just a www.wheresmypages.com) they are all up but I don't think they are in the seachable pages database
does it just keep bouncing back and forth?
and if it does can someone call google and tell them to stop it
thanks

Hugene




msg:192995
 6:56 pm on Oct 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

don't lynch me here, for my amazing yet amateurish question.

Apart from the google toolbar, where else can you check a site's PR?

Macro




msg:192996
 7:05 pm on Oct 14, 2004 (gmt 0)

>> Apart from the google toolbar, where else can you check a site's PR?

Do a search for Proogle.

McMohan




msg:192997
 5:14 am on Oct 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Proogle >> Now called Prog.

Mc

Paul_Short




msg:192998
 5:11 pm on Oct 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi all,

First time posting, but I've been lurking for years ;-)

Someone's quote below asked:

"Can someone tell me if 3 or 4 of their pages show up on google at a certain time and then 2 hours later 3 or 4 other pages show up and the other 3 or 4 pages are gone?"

The reason for this behavior is that Google uses multiple databases/data centers to serve up results to queries on an "availability" basis.

Imagine this scenario: You have a large dynamic site and want to keep your content up to date. You have redundant databases and are continually pulling one or more offline for cleaning, updating and maintenance, and your other databases take over.

Then, once the offline db's are cleaned, they are swapped in and others are pulled for maintenance.

This is why your listings seem to change several times daily in google.

On one of my sites I have over 1000 pages in google's index and sometimes when I check to see how many there are, I find that the numbers fluctuate by + or - 100 or more throughout the day.

Not trying to be cocky here - the recent pr update came as no surprise to me after watching google's behavior leading up to it. I've been doing seo under an alias for 7 years and spotted the trend.

My prediction for the next 8-10 weeks is that google will be doing some major "shifting" of search results and there will be a lot of headaches and heartaches for webmasters as a result.

My advice? Go the "natural" seo route and continually update your site with original content, use good internal linking and add one way back links to the new content yourself by:

1. Posting on topic in forums related to the content and leaving good anchor text as a sig with the url to your pages.

2. Commenting and doing trackbacks with your blog or cms.

3. posting articles in the proper categories of article databases and make sure the article is not the same as the page you're linking to in your resource box (google may see it as duplicate content)

4. Image optimization using the link "title" in tags and naming the image properly...

Etc.

Hope this helps!

Paul Short
GetBlogs.com

shaoye




msg:192999
 5:30 pm on Oct 15, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have a small site, home page pr is 3 but the only other page (link resource page) pr = 4

how could this be possible?
no other links to the internal pr4 page except from home page.

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