| 8:49 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>>My main site is a PR 6. I really expected it to go up to seven. I had tens of thousands of real good backlinks within the last 6 months. <<
Expected? lol.. if you new what you were doing you would know
| 9:25 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>I had tens of thousands of real good backlinks within the last 6 months. <<
Fantastic, Quote of the year for me.
| 9:32 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|Great to see a PR update, but what effect has it had on all your positions? PR seems to have little to do with positioning these days. |
PR or or on page content for that matter.
My 2 cents is that IMO we haven't seen the effects of this PR update on the SERPS yet.
I had lots of new pages show PR for the first time today on several websites.
None of these pages are anywhere in the SERPS even when I search for the complete 5 or 6 word page Titles.
| 9:56 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
WOULD THERE BE ANY EFFECT OF THIS PR UPADATE ON SERP AT ALL?
| 10:14 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
My guess is that google updated the SERPS before the PR this time. I saw BIG changes in the serps for my pr0 site about 5-7 days ago. Yesterday it got a pr6. That makes sense to me, first it updates the index internally and then blast it out in public some days later.
| 10:20 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I think that PageRank and SERPS are still being updated daily. It is only the visual update to PageRank on the toolbar that is delayed (to keep us guessing).
| 10:49 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
<<WOULD THERE BE ANY EFFECT OF THIS PR UPADATE ON SERP AT ALL?>>
My guess is the link buyers/sellers/traders are the only ones who give a hoot about TBPR these days!
| 11:07 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
correct. just seems change of numbers, so that sites look more green :)
| 11:32 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>My guess is that google updated the SERPS before the PR this time<
What come first the chicken or the egg.
Science says the chicken... or was it the egg?
G toolegg mated with g serps, but me thinks incubation periods vary depending in variation of species.
| 11:45 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>My guess is the link buyers/sellers/traders are the only ones who give a hoot about TBPR these days!<
too true, but the sellers are laughing all the way to the bank.
The buyers will be twitching in two months time if their pr9 link they bought for $$$$ dont transfer.
My guess it won't in two-months, but it will probably show in 4-months providing the link is in place at correct times, timing is the key when to buy -;)
Do I go again and risk another $$$$...jeez, lol
So they buy, no increase in the serps...jeez do i go again
| 1:21 am on Oct 8, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I had a PR of 7 on my site and excellent placement on search results. It has now dropped to a PR 6, but my search placements have moved up even higher. The thing that is getting to me is that I have seen a sharp decline in my AdSense revenues, a big cut in CPM and as a result my total daily. I know this is only a day old, but the effects are already being seen.
| 5:29 am on Oct 8, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I think Steve128 has it right with his rather cryptic message. If Google is doing continuous updates then at any one time the PR is ahead of the SERPS which is ahead of the backlinks on some sites and the SERPS are ahead of the backlinks which are ahead of the PR on others etc. If all the different tables are being updated asynchronously then it has to be this way. They can't rank a keyword on a page correctly unless all the information the algorithm uses is up to date, but it can't be on most sites if the update is continuous. This continuous update 'data lag' will affect sites/pages/backlinks which change more then those that are old and stable.
| 5:49 am on Oct 8, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>What come first the chicken or the egg.
>Science says the chicken... or was it the egg?
According to one of my chickens, whilst she observed the egg lying back in a contented fashion with a cigarette..... the egg came first.
That's one little mystery solved ;)
| 6:14 am on Oct 8, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Mfishy, too true about PR. Everyone that isn't in those 3 categories can be heard raving "who cares, it's just green..." The best thing I can say is that if you're not in those 3 categories you might as well not even worry about threads like these. The true pagerank your page is being ranked based on can change daily!
It's crazy that about 2/5 posts are people asking if there was or will be an update now (hasn't the rolling serps been noticed more widely?), why there ranking hasn't changed because they now have PR, etc.
Who would have known that google's green would ever cause so much frantic chit chat?
Seems PR snapshot was taken sometime before 09/23/04 (that's our most recent one showing PR).
| 6:29 am on Oct 8, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|WOULD THERE BE ANY EFFECT OF THIS PR UPADATE ON SERP AT ALL? |
SERPs are updated continuously and so does one would suspect the algorithm PR. Its just that Google decided to make the PR visible publicly, at a time they thought convenient. So IMHO, this toolbar PR (whatever extent it is representative of the actual algo PR), follows the SERPs.
| 9:03 am on Oct 8, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Earlier someone said:
"if you haven't done so, I suggest you check your main page is only indexed once in Google. It can happen that 'www.domain.com/' or 'domain.com/' or 'www.domain.com/index.html' can get indexed separately and splits the main page PR. How can you prevent google from indexing the different versions of your index page (so that PR doesn't get divided between multiple pages)? "
I'm seeing the same on a domain we've had for some time but recently upgraded and seem to have some sort of penalty (duplicate?) on them now. Both versions ARE indexed. The domain.com version has no description and a PR0 while the www.domain.com version has only a PR4 (previously PR6). How CAN you make sure they combine or only one is listed? Does it matter? Do I need to set the DNS record of domain.com to always resolve to www.domain.com? I notice most other people (competitors) aren't doing this and they seem to have no problem with this.
| 9:45 am on Oct 8, 2004 (gmt 0)|
"I had a PR of 7 on my site and excellent placement on search results. It has now dropped to a PR 6, but my search placements have moved up even higher"
whats the point of PR 7 ,6 ,5 ,4..as long as you are in the top in your targeted SERPS.If i want to check my backlinks i try yahoo >linkdomain command ...so how is possible in yahoo you got 3.670 backlinks from PR 7-9 pages and in G you got a crappy few hundred BL's from crappy pages?.They know ..they know i mean Gbot knows and the Algo dad knows and he has a good time reading this forum .Anyway Google i love you as long as i am where i am.In this life nothing is sure exept of death.
| 10:53 am on Oct 8, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I'm starting to see the effect in serps. Internal pages went from PR0 to 5 and are now bubbling up into top 50. Unfortunately this might also coincide with the fact that these pages are now almost exactly 2 months old and are allowed to play with the grown-ups, outside the sandb... er, lag.
| 11:29 am on Oct 8, 2004 (gmt 0)|
If these updates are intended to be a meaningful, why are dead links still appearing in SERPS since June that read "The page cannot be displayed". And since they are totally worthless websites with no rank or value anyway, shouldn't they appear in last place behind all other websites?
| 12:54 pm on Oct 8, 2004 (gmt 0)|
If BackLinks have a good impact on a Position of site these days too (not sure, the PR update would give a chance to Link Freakers to expedite te Link hunting as their new 0 PR site has some green fluid now.
So eventually PR update would impact SERP in short period (if backlinks still is a major factor).
| 4:29 pm on Oct 8, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Got first time PR 7 for my homepage. Have the highest PR in the branch now. But still on 3rd site for most keywords. Seprs got worser since yesterday. Hope this PR update helps in the future.
| 5:22 pm on Oct 8, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Sorry for my ignorence... but I expected backlinks in G to change simultanious with PR?
I've seen no changes in my backlinks recently, but I've seen PR updates on my new pages, which have gone from PR0 to PR3+, but nothing on my old established ones?
Have your back links changed?
| 12:24 am on Oct 9, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Unfortunately I have seen a reduction in pagerank from 6 to 5 for one of my pages. Frustrating and I'm not sure why it's happening!
| 12:35 am on Oct 9, 2004 (gmt 0)|
let's be more intelligent about this. Google do what they want. Brin and Page are probably out at a restaurant drinking fine New Zealand Sauvignon Blanc as we speak. It's the real world! Updates and sub-updates will be assymetric - don't think 'Google' is perfect.
In my view G has been continuously updating PR over the last 4 months or so (this is well coroborated by websites' performance) and the SERPS have corresponded accordingly. Whether the green bar on your screen has changed is a whole different question. I once again raise the question (any in a more aggressive format) - is anyone able to prove that pagerank has been an a majorly influential factor in Google SERPS positions in the last 6 months?
(By the way - don't be petty - I mean major, I mean if your website has moved from PR X to PR X+1 you have moved up to the top of some major porn keyword etc)
| 12:36 am on Oct 9, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>According to one of my chickens, whilst she observed the egg lying back in a contented fashion with a cigarette..... the egg came first>
Jeez, that is plain stupid anyone knows eggs don't smoke, they boil or fry -;)..err unless you mean the chicken, then they roast best.
| 12:58 am on Oct 9, 2004 (gmt 0)|
You will only understand the real meaning of the chicken and egg paradigm if you have raised your kundalini.
| 7:07 am on Oct 9, 2004 (gmt 0)|
well yes they do, if i happen to be browsing and cooking at the same time :)
| 1:06 pm on Oct 9, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I am doing something wrong. My site has slipped in PR from a 5 to a 4 many links dont show now on google link search none of the 6 or 7s show up and checking their sites a link to my site is there.
Out side of adding pages the new links I have picked up in the last month were 6s & 7s. Am careful what links I add.
Can someone refer a post or other sound document on the proper way to set up links that makes google happy? The site still has first and top page rankings across the search engines but starting to lose a little ground to new competition.
| 2:45 pm on Oct 9, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Thanks for bringing some humour to this thread guys.
We too have lost pagerank from 5 to 4 , our positions have actually increased - pr dont mean that much now anyway.
What can also happen when your pr drops is that your pagerank is actually being spread throughout your site, this is much better in my opinion as you will receive a steady stream of traffic to those pages and not just your homepage.
| 2:49 pm on Oct 9, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Either this PR is not entirely up to date (wrt internal PR) or PR means very little.
I have a site with zero PR on all pages, however, I'm getting in the region of 500 unique visitors per day.
It's not particularly niche stuff either.
| 4:01 pm on Oct 9, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Everybody hates spam, and I can see a Via6ra ad a mile away. Out of all of those, one actually made me laugh however. It was entitled (get ready)
"Supersize your (you name it)" .. something like that.
Kudos to ONE spammer who made me laugh. The rest can rot in hell.
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