| 3:05 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I must be experiencing the "can have/can't pass" phenomena.
| 3:06 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
This is odd, my main page remained a PR4 but 2 of my internal pages jumped to PR5. Neither of these two has any external links coming to them, one is in my main domain and one is in a subdomain with its' only inbound link coming from the main page of that subdomain.....
Overall though, glad to see green on all the new pages.
| 3:06 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>If it isn't in the sand box what's the answer for the delay in SERPS
Wrong type of pr. You can get pr9 via links about 'red widgets' but if your site is about 'blue mushrooms' it ain't going to help you much for your targeted keywords.
| 3:26 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Heh Heh Old Skool spam got PR again after 6 months of nothing. Thanks google
| 3:30 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
So we have now had a major crawl and a PR update.
PR is updating, or at least the green bar is moving for some. My 5 sites all seem to just sit at PR5, one site 4 years old the others around 12 months old. All have DMOZ listings in PR 5 catagories. 2 sites still in the "sandbox" after almost 6 months. PR 5, great when you only get traffic from MSN and Yahoo.
I have noticed that in my sector, the DMOZ directory has been cleaned up over the last few months. Many sites have been moved down to more suitable catagories. Me thinks Google is involved in the cleaning operation of DMOZ. Just a thought.
So now I am sure we can all look forward to the actual SERPS doing something major. I just can't wait much longer, seems quite insane that we promote Adsense and yet Google sends us NO Traffic on 2 of our sites.
[edited by: GodLikeLotus at 3:33 pm (utc) on Oct. 7, 2004]
| 3:32 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>> seems quite insane that we promote Adsense and yet Google sends us NO Traffic on 2 of our sites.
What on earth is the connection between the two?
| 3:37 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Both Google and I would earn more money if they would only sort out this "sandbox" thing. We can earn a living on MSN and Yahoo with Adsense, we could maybe attend the Conference in Vegas if Google would update and put us back in.
Also, since being in the "sandbox", we have worked hard to get more quality links. MSN and Yahoo seem to feel that these new incoming quality links are relevant and this is why we get good traffic from them. The main problem from where I am is that Google is way behind MSN and Yahoo in updating their results. Come on Google, I remember the buzz phrase last year being "Minty Freshness" in the results, a bit of Joke in reality, or at least at present.
[edited by: GodLikeLotus at 3:50 pm (utc) on Oct. 7, 2004]
| 3:44 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Have you ever thought that maybe thats just what google wants. MSN & Yahoo referals via your site with a tidy little profit.
Slam, bang, thank you very much :)
Anyway this is off topic now.
| 3:46 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|This is odd, my main page remained a PR4 but 2 of my internal pages jumped to PR5 |
moishe, if you haven't done so, I suggest you check your main page is only indexed once in Google. It can happen that 'www.domain.com/' or 'domain.com/' or 'www.domain.com/index.html' can get indexed separately and splits the main page PR. (If the site is the one in your profile it looks as if they are.)
| 3:48 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Problem will arise when MSN and Yahoo decide to block all sites that have the word "googlesyndication" in them.
I do agree we are getting off topic here, but really, a green bar that goes up and down does nothing for me until the SERPS do a major shift.
| 3:53 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I've noticed that some of my interior pages now are showing PR where before they were PR0. Granted, they're only showing PR1-3 now, but that's an improvement. I also seem to have more backlinks listed now.
| 4:01 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Finally have PR on two of my new sites.. PR5 anfd PR7.. Thanks Google!
| 4:03 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I agree, but my site is about 'red widgets' and yet my new pr hasn't helped much at all in the SERPS
|Wrong type of pr. You can get pr9 via links about 'red widgets' but if your site is about 'blue mushrooms' it ain't going to help you much for your targeted keywords. |
| 4:07 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
As others have reported, I've not gotten the expected boost to my main page. However, some inconsequential internal pages have move from PR0 to as high as PR4. My main page is still stuck at PR4 despite my expectation of at least PR6 or perhaps PR7.
| 4:17 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Thank you HarryM. Is the best way to fix this a 301 from [mysite...] to www.mysite?
| 6:03 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Has anybody from Asia seen changes in their Google rank yet?
Seems our site may be still in the sandbox.
Oh well, ...
| 6:12 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Strange behaviour, still:
1) At the very moment the google startpage here in germoney shows PR0. I took a screenshot.
2) Neither the dmoz nor the google directory backlinks are listed. I also do miss a number of backlinks from good friends. I used a tool the name of which is not wanted to be posted here. Similar results with the "http://mydomain" -site:mydomain workaround.
2) As pointed out above I have three newly indexed pages linked to from my start-page, two of which got PR1 and one PR3. If this is not a bug then some other (linguistic) filters must affect the actual PR-evaluation.
- the current PR-update is an ongoing process and the results are not stable yet.
- google tends to fool SEO-experts and similar to the link:-command the toolbar does not show the results google itself is working with, as others suggested here.
- its a completely new algo which already tries to integrate the "hubs- and authorities"-aspects (I think some of those many pseudo-directories and dmoz-dupes got PR0 now) plus perhaps some new content-analysis tools.
- they started a not-ripe-yet-beta-version of a new algo to update PR.
Any new insights from the sandbox?
| 6:55 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I use a rewrite rule in htaccess from "http//domain.com" to "http//www.domain.com". I also link back to my home page with just "/" instead of "/index.html" and try to ensure no one links to "www.mysite.com/index.php" just "www.mysite.com" (or a specific page). There are several threads about this here.
[added later]I see someone has just started one :)
| 7:07 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
YEAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. I got one of my sites out of the sand box. Other sites stayed the same. Some internal page increases (PR1-3). I was very disapointed yesterday when I read this thread, and a new site of my site was still PR0. But today I woke up and low and behold. It's got PR! Even though it is not showing nearly the amount of back links it should, I am out! :D
Uh, uh, uh, uh (to the rythm of living the life)
| 7:13 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Forgive my ignorance, but what do you mean by "page rank updated"? Are you referring to your pages getting a better ranking due to work you did or did Google recently make a change to their ranking algorithms?
I'm a new web developer, and new to webmasterworld, so I'm still trying to find my way around here and figure out what everything means. Thanks!
| 7:14 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>> Google recently make a change to their ranking algorithms
Google updated the PR it is displaying in the Google Toolbar.
| 7:20 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I think what I saw this morning with one of my sites points to the suggestion that google is working on a new index, whether or not it is because of new database configuration around the DOCID issue or whatever. I have a site that has been deep crawled by Google for the last 7 days. up until then google showed 9 pages in the index when using the site:www.widgets.com and a cach date of Sept 9th. then yesterday it looked like the index was finally updated as I showed 533 pages which is a correct number for this site. However, this morning I see I'm back to 9 pages and a cache date of Sept 9th again. It stayed that way up until the last 1/2 hour. Now I'm back to the 533 pages and some with fresh tags.
Is this a normal occurance...or are they switching between old and new indexes? Also during all of this I have seen no movement in the SERPS for over a month. Plenty of fresh tags but no changes.
| 7:26 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Anybody want to swap a site - PR7 index page, 500 internal pr5's and a few pr6's.
a top ranking pr4 site in any competetive field.
PR whats that got to do with it? forget the green bit.
It is false (or 4-months in arrears) and now flawed.
| 7:38 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Steve, see msg #120. Now, back on topic...
| 7:44 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Sorry..yippee I have a PR7..:))
| 7:52 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
"This is odd, my main page remained a PR4 but 2 of my internal pages jumped to PR5"
"moishe, if you haven't done so, I suggest you check your main page is only indexed once in Google. It can happen that 'www.domain.com/' or 'domain.com/' or 'www.domain.com/index.html' can get indexed separately and splits the main page PR. (If the site is the one in your profile it looks as if they are.)"
How can you prevent google from indexing the different versions of your index page (so that PR doesn't get divided between multiple pages)?
| 8:13 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Great to see a PR update, but what effect has it had on all your positions? PR seems to have little to do with positioning these days.
| 8:28 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
My main site is a PR 6. I really expected it to go up to seven. I had tens of thousands of real good backlinks within the last 6 months.
Meh, who cares... I keep getting really sweet keywords like "fat ass" (classic) and "teen sex" on accident (no, I don't have them anymore.. I'm smarter than to brag about a keyword/phrase I have here).
| 8:30 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
'tens of thousands of real good backlinks' - sounds like a spammer to me.
| 8:44 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Personally I don't think PR is what it's all 'hyped' up to be. I've seen low PR sites whip higher PR sites with no problem. Also don't forget - PR is Google - last I saw Yahoo and MSN are also in the 'play'... certainly no PR concern there.
Unfortunatly it still sounds like many folks have too many eggs in one basket, or a lot of excess time. ( otherwise you'd care less about who's PR is better than who's ) - honestly it doesn't matter in regards to most Serps... think of it as a status symbol, most of which becomes 'retired' after time.
Just my 3 cents...
PS... and do you really think most folks outside of SEO or WebmasterWorld know what a PR means anyhow? :)
[edited by: bobothecat at 8:53 pm (utc) on Oct. 7, 2004]
| 8:49 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>>My main site is a PR 6. I really expected it to go up to seven. I had tens of thousands of real good backlinks within the last 6 months. <<
Expected? lol.. if you new what you were doing you would know
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