| 12:27 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
why all of you are obsessed with PR green line ,i get every day 6+ emails for link exchange,i do no answer,the back links are still the same from pr 1 pr 2 pr 3 bla bla bla...i show my competitor got a pr7 unfotunately for him my pr 4 page is #4 and he is #5 with a pr7 page....what i want to say is that i monitor and work 24 hours a day,you can get a high PR 1:if you have 1000 pages that you administrate and crosslink them
2:if you have 5-6 guys working for you as link exchange emailers
3:if you have a webdesign factory that put links to every customer
4:if you are coming from ....TR,PL,DE,UK,UKR,UDSSR,Malaysia,Indochina,Taiwan
[edited by: lawman at 9:49 am (utc) on Oct. 8, 2004]
[edit reason] TOS 4 [/edit]
| 12:28 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Macro, thanks. You're right. A page I added on 21 September now has PR. Pages added 2 October are still either greyed out or PR0.
| 12:30 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
PR update here (UK).
Our homepage has dropped from 7 to 6, but several new pages, including our links page, now have fair PR where previously they had none.
We have experienced some extra #1 positions on Google for competitive keywords over the last few days too. Overall, Google's current updates seem to be doing us more good than harm so far.
Our main competitor's homepage PR has dropped from 6 to 5, so I can live with the drop on ours for the moment...
| 12:31 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
The question is - how relevant is PR now to Google SERPS?
Exactly... my thought as well! So far the change from pr0 to pr4 on my site has done almost nothing to improve its position in SERPS.
| 12:41 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|The cut off point was much after Sept 15 |
Macro, I guess you missed the point I was making. The pages I have added around 22nd are showing green. But, I was referring to back links passing the PR, assuming the links are not sandboxed. My site was PR 5 for all the pages (including the home page) and now the home page is still PR 5 and inner pages are 4. I guess the 7 PR7 links achieved around 15th Sep, havent' still been accounted for and need to wait till the next update.
| 12:43 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
just noticed that one site that dropped a PR point is showing backlinks incorrectly. Google only lists one with nothing other than the url, BUT states correctly "Results 1 - 1 of about 6,040 linking to".
anyone know what's up with that?
| 12:50 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
| 12:54 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
>> 4.285.199.774 sites indexed. I guess the update process can only be valued finished if this changes
> No, this is a pagerank update. The index itself and hence the number of indexed pages is updated all the time.
Nope this figure has shown up for several months now, whereas it regularly increased after every crawl in the past. The number of indexed pages is definitely a lot higher as a search on e.g. "+the" reveals.
I dont want to warm up this 32-bit-stuff here again but we should expect this figure to change to far over 5 billion the next days, unless google has done an intermediate, panicking beta-version-PR-update in order to prevent webmasterworld-webmasters from telling the press it has severe technical problems *g*.
| 12:57 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|GodLikeLotus - msg#42 |
I am forgetting myself here, the idea of measuring anything today with Google seems to be a guess at best.
I am certain that PR is not accurate.
The backlinks are certainly not accurate (I have a site that shows 10 backlinks, 5 are DMOZ clones, no mention of Dmoz or the Google Directory as backlinks.
That is the most accurate statement in this thread. Google is still hiding your most important backlinks - at least from every site I checked (including dmoz/google directories).
| 1:11 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Well none of my sites have got higher PR and a few have gone down BUT IT DOESN'T MATTER.
I'm getting more visitors now than I was 3 months ago for many of these sites.
Don't know why people are getting so excited. Absolutely no real suprises if you think about it.
[edited by: surfgatinho at 1:13 pm (utc) on Oct. 7, 2004]
| 1:11 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
ok, is the update just not done yet? I ask becuase I just noticed another oddity:
A site that is about a 5 weeks old just got a PR3 on the home page, which seems about right. But, I just noticed that a page I just put up this week on that same site has a PR4. That seems odd.
[edited by: Craig_F at 1:12 pm (utc) on Oct. 7, 2004]
| 1:12 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Well, my site, 2 months old, got PR6 from zero but no change in SERPS, I guess it is still in sand box
| 1:13 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Has anyone noticed SERP change in Google?
| 1:14 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Well it finally happened!
From what I see, this was a very fair update. Most of the PR8's that didn't deserve it are now sitting pretty at PR7's.
From this, I think that PR8's will be a bit harder to achieve from now on. It is better that way, since some PR8's out there were truly garbage and didn't deserve them.
It will be interesting to see how long it takes to do another update?Is it a quarterly thing now?
| 1:15 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
|Has anyone noticed SERP change in Google? |
Why would there be?
| 1:20 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
[qote]Has anyone noticed SERP change in Google?
[/quote] Hopefully this will happen as a result of all the changes in PRs but I haven't seen it yet.
| 1:27 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Excellent. It has been since more three months that we had a white bar... . Now good page rank!
It's not so difficult to get a 6 Pr and to maintain it. Very difficult to mantain a PR 7.
| 1:30 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Well, it certainly feels quite rewarding to see a new site (2 month) jump from 0 to pr5. Now I have more energy to carry on. ^^
| 1:33 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Yeahhh! PageRank has been updated... Questions is- If a tree falls in the middle of the forest and no one hears it...
I have about two thousand pages which previously did well in the SERPs and had a PR of 0, they now have a PR of 4. Problem is the SERPs haven't changed a bit. Bottom line- PR does not mean that much.
| 1:33 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
<<Has anyone noticed SERP change in Google?>>
Nah, and IMO PR display is royally screwed up anyway.
Guess this will put an end to the folks who were claiming the sandboxlagpenalty was realted to PR.
<<I'm seeing lots of sites loseing pr PR.>>
Yah, just about everything has dropped here. Can't say I care too much...
| 1:42 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
If it isn't in the sand box what's the answer for the delay in SERPS.
|Well, my site, 2 months old, got PR6 from zero but no change in SERPS, I guess it is still in sand box |
| 1:44 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Is it just me or has the Google Directory also been updated from DMOZ with fresh PageRank?
I have a new-ish site that seems to have suddenly appeared after being in DMOZ for two months.
| 1:53 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
"I notice people are able to check pr by by IP.
Does that mean websites on a shared hosting plan get the same pr since they have the same ip?"
In response to Bonusbana and Walrus concerns, simply no. PR updates on all my sites showing different PR ranging from 1-4. These are fairly new and small sites and are all hosted under the same host.
| 2:14 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
It looks to me that it's not that PR has just been updated, but rather our ability to see the current PR through the toolbar has just been updated. PR has probably been updated several times over the past 3 months, we just couldn't see it.
I didn't see anyone else mention this possibility, does this make sense?
| 2:17 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
dataguy, yes, we are talking about the Toolbar PR as opposed to the Algo PR.
| 2:23 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I agree with you dataguy. This PR update is just a toolbar update. PR has actually been updated with every backlink update but was not accessible with toolbar. Moreover this PR update is not accompanied with backlink update. So google has decided to be as unpredictable as possible just like showing the backlinks. You can not define a pattern which links should appear as backlinks. Similar things are happening to PR. Two of my client sites still have PR3 and PR4 at homepage while google shows 870 and 888 backlinks for them. Internal pages for both sites have PR4. Even at the PR3 site , deep internal links like resources/page2.html have PR3.
I feel google is trying to play the same game with PR as with backlinks.
| 2:27 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I have not seen any PR update nor have I seen movement in the SERPS. But me sites are totally indexed with fresh tags for each day over the last 7 days. Should I expect movement in the SERPS soon?
| 2:34 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Has anyone noticed whether a page with new PR is actually transfering any of that PR to any external pages?
WBF: Yes I'm noticing similar.
[edited by: tantalus at 2:39 pm (utc) on Oct. 7, 2004]
| 2:36 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
tantalus, yes it is.
| 2:39 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
No SERP change + sites still in sandbox = No interest for me in a little green bar ;)
| 3:05 pm on Oct 7, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I must be experiencing the "can have/can't pass" phenomena.
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