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Google creating a web browser?
blaze




msg:146870
 7:33 pm on Sep 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

the street [thestreet.com]


Meanwhile, Google and its rivals continue to make waves on other fronts. On Sunday, the New York Post reported that, based on recent hires of high-tech personnel, including certain Microsoft (MSFT:Nasdaq - commentary - research) veterans, it appeared that Google is developing its own Web browser and other software products to challenge the Redmond giant.

 

Brett_Tabke




msg:146871
 10:31 pm on Sep 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

any one have the post article to which it refers? On the web?

steveb




msg:146872
 10:37 pm on Sep 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

[nypost.com...]

"Based on the half-dozen hires in recent weeks, Google appears to be planning to launch its own Web browser and other software products to challenge Microsoft."

drbrain




msg:146873
 10:43 pm on Sep 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Interesting, no mention of Mozilla developers being hired.

Any Konqueror people?

I would find it silly that Google would decide to write a browser from the ground up instead of using KHTML or Gecko.

Livenomadic




msg:146874
 10:45 pm on Sep 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Looks like we are heading for a SE war AND a new browser war....

I can't wait...

BigDave




msg:146875
 10:56 pm on Sep 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

This is too funny. People are actually believeing wild speculation in the post!

Can't anyone think of any other reasons for google to hire the best and the brightest?

Now, I would not be the least bit surprised to see Google starting to contribute to Mozilla in a major way to keep from getting locked out when (if?) longhorn actually makes it out the door. But Google has plenty of things going to keep this crowd busy without going the route of building a proprietary browser from scratch.

bears5122




msg:146876
 11:14 pm on Sep 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think they will have to to compete. Let's face it, Microsoft will take a huge chunk of market when Longhorn hits. All your casual PC users will use the first option available. Take Internet Explorer for example. How many average to below average Internet users do you see downloading Firefox?

It's a good idea, especially if they can push it before Longhorn. They will need to get people on the browser soon. I think you will see some more competition from browsers in the near future. Firefox has shown a ton of new downloads and IE is losing some market share.

Google is always pretty innovative and should have some unique things with their browser. Not to mention gmail and the toolbar will be built in I'm assuming.

jk3210




msg:146877
 11:23 pm on Sep 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Is it possible that this is the reason for Google's interest in a browser...

The DOJ may require M$ to allow other browsers equal access to its future operation systems, so Google wants to be standing in line when that day comes --hence their interest in developing a browser of their own.

Livenomadic




msg:146878
 11:26 pm on Sep 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Bear is right... Google NEEDS a competative brower.

Why?

90% of computer users will use longhorn

Therefore:

85% of computers users will use IE 7 because it comes with Longhorn

Therefore:

70% of computer users will use the new MS search because it comes with IE7 which comes with longhorn!

These are hypothetical percentages just used to show the kind of potential threat google is seeing.

I'm sure the Google has been keeping a close eye of the search engine rumblings coming out of redmond and I'm sure they know why netscape lost the browser war (like we all do), and I am sure sure they can connect the dots just as well as I have.

whiterabbit




msg:146879
 11:50 pm on Sep 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

Bear is right... Google NEEDS a competative brower.

If G were to offer an affiliate program (at around $1 per download) for their browser they would win the war without effort!

Feel free to contact me Google, for advice in setting this up ;)

Aaz7




msg:146880
 1:18 am on Sep 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

hehe :)
i'm not sure that this will help it to win.
anyway, users will use SE that gives better results. but theese days, google's results not so good.

nalin




msg:146881
 1:36 am on Sep 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

Take Internet Explorer for example. How many average to below average Internet users do you see downloading Firefox?

Firefox cannot be used as a verb - as much as I (we?) would like to believe otherwise I dont think that half the people out there on the web would recognise "firefox" and realize its purpose (mozilla would probably be better branded but still likly dosn't hit this percentile).

Even today, some 13 years into the open source "movement", I - on occasion - get curious responses from people who do not recognize "Linux", conceptually, much less as an operating system. While I would like to believe in the intelegence of the average internet user I know there has to be someone picking up all the free disks distributed by a certain ISP.

I would love to see the browser wars revamped and relaunced with a strongish mozilla/firefox, something (ideally, but not likly firefox) backed by the name recognition of google, and an aging feature devoid non-compliant no-show, if for no other reason then to see IE incorperate some of the innovation (and standardization) of its rivals. Ideally this time around the competition would promote standards rather then introduce a lack thereof.

webnewton




msg:146882
 3:50 am on Sep 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well quite an obvios move from Google! This has come a bit late however!

indigojo




msg:146883
 5:10 am on Sep 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

[webmasterworld.com...]

What if Google upgrades toolbar to full browser?

Joop




msg:146884
 5:21 am on Sep 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

[banyway, users will use SE that gives better results. but theese days, google's results not so good.[/b]

I disagree, many users will use the one that either 1)came with their PC 2) their son/daughter/friend etc set up for them

Having said that, I don't know what the 'average' user actually is, is it someone who knows what a search engine is and switches around to find the best results, or is it someone who replies 'what's a Search engine?'

Powdork




msg:146885
 6:07 am on Sep 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

Google is a magnetic pull for smart technology people," said Gary Stein, an analyst with Jupiter Research. "They're really trying to broaden their tech base. This is all about putting smart kids in a Google sandbox.

te he, te he
he said 'sandbox',
cool

Beavis

Aaz7




msg:146886
 6:46 am on Sep 21, 2004 (gmt 0)


I disagree, many users will use the one that either 1)came with their PC 2) their son/daughter/friend etc set up for them

hmmmm... maybe you're right... i've forgot about "average" users.
so, longhorn coming, and in this case it's time to worry for Google :)

bears5122




msg:146887
 7:34 am on Sep 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

I don't think people will use the search engine with best results. The 1% of the country that is extremely web savvy will. The other 99% will just use what is easiest. Go ask your parents or a friend with little to no knowledge of the Internet where they search. My parents will say AOL (because it is there) and my good friend will say "that first page when I login to SBC".

Your average person will use what is easiest to them. Is IE the best browser out there? Not even close. But 99% of people will use it because it is there. Same goes for search. Most of your average computer users will just use the search that is the first one they come across.

My comment on Firefox wasn't saying that they could compete with Microsoft. I was saying there are signs of opportunity to steal market. Google has that chance, but they really need to come out with something unique and different. With that they can steal even a small percentage of browser users.

As for the DOJ and browsers. By the time any fines or judgements are levied, it will be too late. Microsoft can drag a trial out for 5 years if they want.

Google is very trendy, but very one dimensional. They are making an attempt at e-mail and maybe a browser to broaden that horizon. They will never be able to compete with Yahoo on a network standpoint and will be hard pressed to steal any market from them. Once that trendiness of Google wears off, they will need to rely on some cunning marketing and good search results. Right now, they have let their SERPs go to crap and we'll see how that marketing goes. I would not be holding on to my Google stock for long.

newsphinx




msg:146888
 7:39 am on Sep 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

If G were to offer an affiliate program (at around $1 per download) for their browser they would win the war without effort!

:o Sounds a good idea!

1milehgh80210




msg:146889
 8:53 am on Sep 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

are we talking about this 'ad serving' browser? (old news)

patent [appft1.uspto.gov]

Bio4ce




msg:146890
 3:10 pm on Sep 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

What if they were actually developing an operating system that included a browser to compete with Microsoft?

bears5122




msg:146891
 3:44 pm on Sep 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

Bio, I don't believe they'd be that stupid to try and compete with Microsoft on an OS level. Then again....

AthlonInside




msg:146892
 3:53 pm on Sep 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

Google know a lot about Browser Technology because they have GOOGLEBOT! That's why it only take 50% effort to build a browser. So, Go Ahead GOOGLE.

Lord Majestic




msg:146893
 4:02 pm on Sep 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

Google know a lot about Browser Technology because they have GOOGLEBOT! That's why it only take 50% effort to build a browser. So, Go Ahead GOOGLE.

As a person who did both I assure you that writing a browser and a bot are two completely different things.

BillyS




msg:146894
 4:08 pm on Sep 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

Tell me what I am missing here:

Several of you believe that users will rely on the easiest path to search engine results. Then how do you explain Google's popularity today?

They don't have a portal like MSN or Yahoo...

If you type a query into the address bar of IE, you are likely seeing MS results, not Google.

I would think they are popular because they deliver the best results. So the challenge is how to continue to deliver the best results.

We all know that MSN is testing a beta robot to support their new search engine. That is the immediate threat to Google. Google needs to beat MSN to the punch here - introducing their "next generation" of search engine technology before MSN gets up and running.

If not, Longhorn coupled with the new MSN search could be a problem for Google.

rfgdxm1




msg:146895
 5:14 pm on Sep 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've got IE, Mozilla and Opera on this box. Does the world really *need* a Google browser? Methinks Google should focus on Internet search. That is well nigh the core of their business.

Hollywood




msg:146896
 5:47 pm on Sep 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

One thing to understand in nature.

If you allow a country to have a better school system the country will prosper later.

By having a higher tax rate going towards education or by having more attention on a better education the entire country will be more educated later... and in turn 99% of the time the country in the long haul will be more powerful and strong in all aspects.

Google, do not underestimate them; they are hiring the brightest minds in the world right now, as we speak. In the long haul as mentioned above they will prosper by doing this. Hire educated people prosper more later, it will work. In terms of this browser thing, I think this makes sense 100% and MSFT should be nervous!

I do know one thing, after visiting the largest SEO firm in Europe personally this summer... I found that Google is hiring a whole bunch of talent all over. Google also has many many new items in the labs ready to be spoken about, more than 150 if sources are correct, many of these I have never seen mentioned before.

Google has its feet wet for good reason and it will work... yes the browser as well, it is a good idea.

Hollywood

Hollywood




msg:146897
 7:07 pm on Sep 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

Mozilla could form base of a Google browser
Ingrid Marson
ZDNet UK

[news.zdnet.co.uk...]

Liane




msg:146898
 7:30 pm on Sep 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've got IE, Mozilla and Opera on this box. Does the world really *need* a Google browser? Methinks Google should focus on Internet search. That is well nigh the core of their business.

Back when Alta Vista was king of search, I recall similar sentiments being expressed about a young upstart company named Google! Who *needed* another search engine?

Bring it on Google and good on ya! Ya can't play the game if you don't join the club!

Chndru




msg:146899
 7:44 pm on Sep 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yeah. But, i know that they are not going to do it, unless they know they can differentiate from the existing products (hint, gmail;)).

If they could leverage the existing firefox with their vast computing power, then it would be fun to see how MSFT reacts ;).

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