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Is Google going to do something drastic? No PR updates in months!
keywordguru

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Msg#: 25845 posted 3:27 pm on Sep 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

I was wondering what everyone thought about Google with the PR situation.

From my observations, I have not seen the usual PR updates that usually occur. Only Pr's going from PR5, PR6, and PR7's to Zero's. Some coming back and some staying there.

Mind that I am tracking domains that I work with, as well as very popular domains.

I have a domain that had over 11,000 backlinks and a PR8, and the links have dropped to under 1,000 and the PR still remains an 8. It was previously a PR6 before that backlink campaign.

So this leads me to think that something drastic is going to happen and when it hits, it will hit hard on many different sites.

There are already many out there with PR0's and no real answer to why. Usually when you got a PR0, you knew why and it was usually related to spammy, cloaky reasoning. This time around, the question is BIG, and people aren't sure.

Some are relating it to too many backlinks from specific directories saying they may now be categorized as link farms, and then others are simply lost.

I would be interested to hear other people's theory on what is up with the Google PR and what you think may happen in the very near future.

With minimal PR updates for about 3 full months, and many backlink updates, something is bound to happen soon.

Let me know your thoughts
Thanks
KG

 

hdpt00



 
Msg#: 25845 posted 5:57 am on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Definitely not.

steveb

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Msg#: 25845 posted 6:14 am on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

"did Google give a hint before it updated or was it a sudden change"

It's not a great parallel but before Florida Google was relying absurdly on mere volume of anchor text. Up till today anyway, Google again has been much more geared to sheer volume of anchor text than at any time since Florida. Since volume of anchor text is the ultimate in simplistic algorithm, it makes a bit of sense to see that when the results are in a "holding pattern".

Hopefully (a kinder, gentler, slightly smarter) Florida will appear soon.

<I definitelty don't think the current update is "it". A bit of change on the lag time stuff, but still a lot of completely implausible rankings for newer stuff.>

Freedom

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Msg#: 25845 posted 7:40 am on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Google keeps insisting I have WMD but as I told them, the inspectors and UN security council, I do not have WMD. Now they want to invade my website with an update to prove I have WMD.

shahid

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Msg#: 25845 posted 7:44 am on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

There is of course some changes in serps but this just seems sudden because they have updated allinanchor after many days and now adjusted the rankigs accordingly.

phantombookman

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Msg#: 25845 posted 7:54 am on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just had on enon commercial niche site, no ad's or anything, that has ranked page one for a year just drop to page 6!
I have not touched the site so something has changed

baron13

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Msg#: 25845 posted 8:02 am on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Concerning the pagerank: I think it is impossible for google to remove the pagerank or not to show the correct pagerank becasue google writes in their guidelines that you should not trade links with bad neighbourhoods (something like this) but without the green pagerank bar it would be impossible to know if this is a good neighbourhood or not. :)

foxtunes

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Msg#: 25845 posted 9:06 am on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

"Just had on enon commercial niche site, no ad's or anything, that has ranked page one for a year just drop to page 6. I have not touched the site so something has changed"

Me too, major serps change for me on a site that has remained rock steady since aug 2003.

pardo

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Msg#: 25845 posted 9:47 am on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yep, definately something going on...

Our main site that was hit pretty hard last change seems to come back on terms before the end of August.

rich42

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Msg#: 25845 posted 10:11 am on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think it is impossible for google to remove the pagerank or not to show the correct pagerank becasue google writes in their guidelines that you should not trade links with bad neighbourhoods (something like this) but without the green pagerank bar it would be impossible to know if this is a good neighbourhood or not. :)

yeah - that would mean google might penalize people actively looking to optimize their sites. they would never do that...

JuniorOptimizer

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Msg#: 25845 posted 10:28 am on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Why not put a scarlet "S" in the toolbar for any site that violates the guidelines ;)

petehall

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Msg#: 25845 posted 10:59 am on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm seeing big changes but only on certain phrases / sites...

I may be wrong but I don't think the changes are for the better either.

Freedom

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Msg#: 25845 posted 11:42 am on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

An update, any update, will only affect the "the money terms." - When they figure out how to make money on the phrase" "John Jacob Jingle Heimer-Schmidt, - His name is my name too!"

- then that will become one of the money terms.

george123

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Msg#: 25845 posted 11:58 am on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

"Just had on enon commercial niche site"
that helps to understand how there algo works in some areas-well in this life you can't hide anything- if someone's brain analyses how other brains work using dialectics can track them 90%

bumpski

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Msg#: 25845 posted 12:53 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

This is unique. Google crawled all my PR 0 pages starting at 22/Sep/2004:21:19:07 -0700, using only one unusual IP address 66.249.66.194. Normally this crawl is distributed over multiple IP's in the 64.68.82.... range. A search for this IP only shows one or two results which is also rare.
These pages became PR 0 (were PR 3,4) after my sever was down for 2 succesive crawls in May (up in between 99.9%, just bad luck for these pages)

Galtego

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Msg#: 25845 posted 1:04 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm also seeing the unusual phenomenon of only one IP for Googlebot - with this additional difference: that it is getting /directory (301 status code) and then /directory/ (200) as so many other search engine spiders do, but as Googlebot has not behaved before.

webspace1

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Msg#: 25845 posted 1:34 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

One of my sites was a PR6, in august it dropped to a PR0, and all links were gone in google, I am not grey-barred and google is still spidering my site daily:

Googlebot (Google) 13409+59 3.91 GB 23 Sep 2004

As you can see, it has spidered 3.91 gigs this month so far, last month it spidered 4.16 gigs. I don't understand what happened to my PR because if I was banned they wouldn't continue to spider it.

Jerry

the_nerd

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Msg#: 25845 posted 1:43 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Why not put a scarlet "S" in the toolbar for any site that violates the guidelines ;)

how about a red bar from 1-10 showing the level of offensiveness?

bumpski

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Msg#: 25845 posted 1:50 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

This is just a guess. In August Google did a double crawl, it hit each page of my site twice in one day. This could just be a fast bot, or crawl, kind of check looking for frequently changing pages.
But if for some reason a site's server were down for that day it would appear to be two crawls missed. From the past I know if a page is missed for two Google crawls it will drop out of the index completely until the next crawl. If missed by one crawl a page will be "partially indexed" I call it limbo, only the URL will show in the SERPs no Title or description.
One farfetched possibility is large scale attacks are slowing Google down and Google is simply not completing its crawls in a timely fashion, so pages drop out simply because Google failed to crawl them by some abitrary deadline. For the last few months if you dropped out of the index I believe your pages will be pretty much stuck at PR 0 until Google does something, who knows what?

quotations

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Msg#: 25845 posted 2:07 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Site which was removed from Yahoo for complaining about the re-direct cloaking being done by that porn site is still out of Yahoo but traffic from Google is up by about 2500 visitors today over yesterday.

webspace1

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Msg#: 25845 posted 2:09 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well, my server hasn't been down in over 3 months, so I know it isn't because of my site being offline.

Jerry

phantombookman

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Msg#: 25845 posted 5:13 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Re my earlier post about a sites collapsing serps just seen this in my log as a referer and wondered if anyone knew what it was. I only have very basic tracking as the site generates no profit so it is an area of ignorance for me. Thanks in advance
Rod

google.startsiden.no/index_en.html?as_q=wodehouse&num=10&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=&as_occt=&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch=

Powdork

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Msg#: 25845 posted 6:33 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

google.startsiden.no/index_en.html ->The domain and page
q=wodehouse -> The query
num=10 -> The results on this page start at #10
&as_epq=&as_oq=&as_eq=&lr=&as_ft=i&as_filetype=&as_qdr=&as_occt=&as_dt=i&as_ -> Additional parameters, each starting with "&"
&as_dt=i&as_sitesearch= ->I'm not sure if this mean they did use site search, or did not

bumpski

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Msg#: 25845 posted 8:44 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Please forgive me for asking but did you know you can paste this string into the address bar of your browser and see for yourself (click on the link below)? I simply tacked on the http:// to the beginning of your string. An international site (startsiden.no) has a subdomain (google.startsiden.no) dedicated to Google searches.

Click the link and the search your visitor did to find your site will be replicated. Page forward and backwards through the results and you will probably find your website listed in the search results.

[google.startsiden.no...]

I hope this was helpful.

union_jack

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Msg#: 25845 posted 9:20 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

I am suprised that nobody has posted about lots of movement today. More that I have seen in months. I am in the UK.

I know its the same old post that every half wit posts nearly every day. But I am seeing big movement across 20 keywords that I follow..

foxtunes

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Msg#: 25845 posted 9:24 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yes I'm also in the uk and have seen massive changes (in the industries I follow) today in google. I'm hoping this is just a temporary flux but I have a sick feeling that these results are here to stay for a while.

peterdaly

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Msg#: 25845 posted 9:32 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

I started to see massive changes yesterday. I don't watch serps, but a couple of my major sites seems to have bounced back from a down durring the last major crawl problem. My traffic seems to be double what it was two days ago.

Time to start an update thread?

walkman



 
Msg#: 25845 posted 9:36 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

"I'm hoping this is just a temporary flux but I have a sick feeling that these results are here to stay for a while."

My site has at least 200 legitimate backlinks and it dropped again, at least today. I'm lucky if I maybe get 100 people from google today. 2 months ago, I was getting 3-4000.

webspace1

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Msg#: 25845 posted 9:39 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

I hope they fix me too, I am still showing as a PR-0 for a site that was a PR6, and I am still not showing up in google at all, I was showing for quite a few listings before this happened in august.

Jerry

jnmconsulting

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Msg#: 25845 posted 9:42 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Goolge finally hit one of my sites after about 5 weeks. normally I see it daily. It hit my main page last night and I have not seen it since. I thought it was the start of something, apparently not, atleast for my sites. Other wise I see no activity period.

Just Guessing

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Msg#: 25845 posted 10:04 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yes - big changes in the UK today affecting one site, but not another.

Rick_M

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Msg#: 25845 posted 10:29 pm on Sep 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

My site just got hammered. I had been number 1 for many different search terms within a few specific categories, and now all of those listings are down around 20. I'd say I had been ranking well for around 1 year for most of these terms, and some of them for several years. I am hoping this is just one server and it won't propogate to the rest, but I have a feeling this is just the beginning.

I actually don't think this is a major update though, because it doesn't appear the other sites around me have changed that much. Not a good feeling.

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