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My site gets NO traffic
160 PR4 pages yet I get NO traffic from Google

 4:04 pm on Aug 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have a shopping site that basically gets no traffic at all form any search engine. Of the 2 or 3 visitors per week that I do get, they arrive at my site from Google by searching for the number 247, and this is totally irrelevant to my site. The problem I suspect is that 247 is part of my domain name. For example: www 247widget dot com. My site is about nine months old and is indexed by Google and regularly spidered, so I don’t think I have any penalties. In fact, the index page is a PR5 and the other 160 pages that make up the site are all ranked PR4 and 5’s. I also have around 240 incoming links, so I am baffled why I don’t get any real traffic.



 2:42 pm on Sep 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

The first question to ask is whether the snippet that Google puts up on the SERPS for you looks inviting...

If a Google user pulls up ten results and nine say
"Buy widgets, at low prices, in our secure well-stocked on-line shop"
and one says
"Wigdets and stuf get them from me" (sic)
then I know what I'd do.

You don't say where in the SERPS your pages lie, but customers have limited time to browse, and I, and I know many others, will even discount the top ranking site if the snippet looks uninviting. Ones further down the list go too, if the snippet doesn't look like THE page to meet my needs - I don't have time to learn my way round 20 sites in order to buy something - I'll go for the ones that look good.


 2:51 pm on Sep 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

Can I ask *why* 247 is part of your domain?!


 3:58 pm on Sep 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

If you're high up in the serps for 247 but you don't 'sell' 247, it's not going to help.

Are you anywhere in the serps for the widgets you do sell?


 4:03 pm on Sep 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

DerekH I'm not trying to be funny but the snippet would not explain a complete lack of visitors, although you are quite right that it does have an impact.

Panacea, DerekH is also quite correct to point out that you haven't even confirmed whether your 160 pages are indexed or cached by Google. (the tool bar might be guessing your pr for example)

Essentially theres not enough info in you post to make comment. (Are all your links going to the homepage?)

Anyway if you haven't already, my suggestion would be to view google's cache of these pages to see if they are being indexed as you would want and if they are, then to look deep into serps for your key phrases too see if you are actually there.

Hope that helps or at least gives a start


I have sneaky feeling its 24 7 ie open 24 7.


 4:08 pm on Sep 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

If your site is the one I think it is (did a search for "247"), then it's no surprise why you are not getting any traffic. There are, quite literally, hundreds of thousands of sites out there just like yours. Same categories and everything - all targeting the same keywords. With a new site - you have a very slim chance indeed of being picked up in the SE's due to all the competition in your arena and the lack of demand for most of the keywords you seem to target.

The good news is that your site doesn't seem penalized. The SE's just don't like it because, sorry to be harsh, the site is just like hundreds of thousands of other sites on the net today.


 5:12 pm on Sep 4, 2004 (gmt 0)


Looked at your site and have to agree with the previous post about being lost in the flood of similiar sites.

A couple of things you might want to consider.

Get the hyphenated version of you domain "24-7" so you get your message across. Also, build your message to captilize on being available 24-7. It is not clear what 247 means.

Do yourself a favor and read "Don't Make Me Think". I found myself having to interpret what to do next. Do a little research into the difference between scanning and skimming by the user--both processes are hampered on your site.

It's clear that you've 'over designed' the site to be SEO and the user has fallen between the cracks.


 6:10 pm on Sep 4, 2004 (gmt 0)


This is a very long shot but you put " lang="en-gb" all over the place.... but you are a .com. Now if your site is on a server outside the UK, then there is a possible conflict here. Although google worldwide searches should rank you, the suggestion you are "en-gb" focused may work against you. A 'worldwide' search not only pitches you against the whole world, but then you are indicating you are primarily UK focused. For "UK only sites" on google, you may not qualify as a .com hosted on a foriegn server. I know this is full of" its and buts" but just an observation.


 6:54 pm on Sep 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

One obvious question that hasn't been asked : where are you in the listings for typical searches?

If you are buried 5 pages down, then you are not going to get much traffic!

That said, a retail site I have run has pr 5 home page, and gets about 800 referrals a day. It does have a lot of diverse content (big catalog > 10K products ), typical referrals usually have 3 or 4 keywords, except for one keyword where they are top dog.


 7:07 pm on Sep 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

If your site is what I think - you seem to have a variation in anchor text on your inbound links. Considering you only have a few hundred listed in Y (I say "only" due to the site type) and the fact that your most common anchor text isn't in your title tag, nor is the term mentioned at all on your page - it seems you simply have a lack of organized SEO efforts.

Decide on a key phrase, and if it is the one your site is named after that is in most of the inbound anchors I saw (only checked a handful) then optimize your page for it and get more inbounds with the term in the anchor. Once your main page has solid foot hold on some ranks, you can then work on getting individual subpages to rank.


 8:04 pm on Sep 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

Perhaps the biggest issue is that your site is only 9 months old and taking on 100'000's of sites that have been around much longer. With sandbox and the nature of your site, its a long road to success.


 8:22 pm on Sep 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

Somebody raised a similar question a few months ago and we took a look at their site. Their site was perfect no dark techniques, no frames & lots of text. Google visited regularly and they could be found when searching for terms on their pages.

The problem arose because the term they hoped people would search for and desgined their pages around was an industry only term, but they were hoping to sell to the general public who would only use that industry term to search for something completely different.

When you searched for the term the general public were likely to use to find their products they were of course no where to be found, hence no sales.


 8:54 pm on Sep 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

>and I, and I know many others, will even discount the top ranking site if the snippet looks uninviting.


"Sell the sizzle, not the steak."
-Ferengi Rule of Acquisition #153

And DO make sure that the page title in the SERP also has sizzle.


 10:18 pm on Sep 4, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm in a competitive SERP fo rmy major keywords so I've had to look at alternatives and wee what I can do from there. I'm not pulling the same kind of traffic as I'm sure my competitors are, but my G referrals are growing each and every month.

Get creative and target what might be trickling in small amounts of traffic. Do your best, that's the best advice I can offer :)


 8:01 am on Sep 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>> I also have around 240 incoming links, so I am baffled why I don’t get any real traffic.

The answer is quite simple - you do not rank well for competitive primary keywords in your industry, and worst yet, you also do not rank well for less competitive secondary and tertiary keyword phrases. That is why you don't get any real traffic.

Your site of 160 pages is a small site, and imho, "very small" in the eye of Google. PR5 homepage and PR4 internal pages are good, but they aren't the warranty that you will get any traffic. Also 240 incoming links do not mean anything.

I guess the main problem in your case is "the lack of right keywords targeting for your websites". It might be too narrow and not wide enough, so if that fails then you would find yourself in this situation of getting zero real traffic.

The best solution is to review all your keywords strategies. Find some market leaders in your field and study the keyword terms that they target, especially the secondary ones.


 9:54 am on Sep 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

(the tool bar might be guessing your pr for example)

Google doesn't guess PR anymore .... in fact it doesn't even update it anymore!

160 PR4 pages yet I get NO traffic from Google

PR doesn't mean anything these days in the ranking algorithm sense. It maybe contributes 0.00001% to your current ranking. If you site is unoptimized for your keywords then PR9 won't give you a number one spot.


 1:03 pm on Sep 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

If PR doesn't help you at all in the rankings, what's the damn point of wanting a high one?


 1:14 pm on Sep 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

PR does help ranking, it's getting the right pr that counts.

PR being fed from off theme pages is pointless, therefore you can have a high pr but for all the wrong themes.


 1:16 pm on Sep 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Google doesn't guess PR anymore .... in fact it doesn't even update it anymore!

Not true internetheaven I have pages that are not indexed and are showing green on the toolbar. :) (admittedly they are dynamically generated but I had assumed this was the case with the site in question as it was a shopping site)


 1:51 pm on Sep 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

I once put up a page about free widgets, and that page got a lot of traffic. People search for free widgets, and there's not a lot of competition. That one page got more traffic than almost 500 unique pages on the same site that were targeting Web Hosting, Web Hosts, etc. If there's a lot of money to be made, expect competition.


 6:27 pm on Sep 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thank you everyone for your comments and advice. I think I will go back and address the keyword issue and try more target specific words.

On another note, I have 8 other sites that are in different industries. Some of these are a lot more successful than the shopping site that has been discussed here. However, I find myself spending 90% of my time these days looking for good link exchanges and not developing sites. I have been using the services of LinksManager, this is very helpful tool and time saving device, especially for someone like myself who does not do any database work. But the irony is that Google’s web master guidelines are specific about link exchanges: “Create a useful, information-rich site and don't participate in link schemes designed to increase your site's ranking or PageRank” I wonder what other webmasters thoughts are on LinksManager and whether or not anyone believes this tool violates Googles guide lines in any way?

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