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All in Title Search - good predictor of rank after sandbox?
danaj




msg:111929
 3:55 pm on Aug 26, 2004 (gmt 0)

Is the Allintitle seach on Google a good predictor of where your site will fall when the sandbox effect is over?

I have a fairly new ecommerce site (5 months) and when I search for my main keyword I'm on page 7, but when I did an allintitle search, I'm #3 on the 1st page.

 

dirkz




msg:111930
 12:19 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Last time I encountered this it wasn't.

RussellC




msg:111931
 2:47 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

danaj, I am in the exact same position as you. 5 month old site, rank #1 for all of the allins. I hope it is some kind of indicator.

Simon Jester




msg:111932
 3:17 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Please excuse my ignorance, as I'm still fairly new at SEO.

But just what does the ALLINTITLE command show? I just ran it for my primary search phrase, and it showed my site at the top, although I'm ranked #21 right now. When I ran ALLINTITLE for my site, it seemed to show backlinks.

What is it good for?

TIA

Total Paranoia




msg:111933
 3:37 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

This question comes up almost every week. It appears that this is not an indicator of things to come.

danaj - The links below will give you much more information on this from recent discussions.

[webmasterworld.com...]

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T_P

leveldisc




msg:111934
 3:42 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

It seems to me that for very specific kw combinations, the normal serps and allin serps are consistent. The more competitive the search, then more a site may drop in the normal search, but remain high in the allin search.

It seemed to me the some kind of dampening factor is applied when the search is for a competitive kw combination. I.e. the infamous sandbox.

The allin commands avoid this dampening effect, because they are, by their very nature, not competitive.

So I've concluded that for a competitive search a site needs credibility for that search, rather than loads of links > 2,3 or 4 months old. How you get this credibility is another matter.

So the allin commands don't predict the future. They just show the results for a non-competitive search.

Of course this is probably complete nonsense.

randle




msg:111935
 4:22 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

allintitle:widgets

The command will show all sites with that keyword in the title. At the end of the day, that shows who your competitors are. Lots of people love to say they are number X "of about" 4,000,000 but thatís not a good indicator.

Generally speaking, if you have the key word in your title, your optimizing for that term.

Total Paranoia




msg:111936
 4:26 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

So the allin commands don't predict the future. They just show the results for a non-competitive search

This makes complete sense. When you try those allin searches, look how many results are returned. Not very many at all are there?

Of course this is probably complete nonsense.

Not at all. I for one am with you on this.

randle




msg:111937
 4:41 pm on Aug 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

It shows what is, not what will be, and for competitive as well as non-competitive terms. It makes no difference.

If you want more information there is a page on all of this at google.

[google.com...]

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