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Google PR -- Next Update?

 7:15 pm on Aug 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hello everyone. I'm a newbie to the forum and this is probably an old question, but it seems that google has not done a pr update in at least 2 months. Is this correct and does anybody know what is going on? Is there about to be a major change in how google calculates pr as well as the frequency?



 12:38 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

But as usual, nobody cares how you personally rank. Differences in the quality of results, and ways they have changed, that is something interesting we can all possibly get some value from. This batch is the worst since last summer. Still not awful, but the amount of clean low quality sites outranking clean high quality sites is very disturbing. Again, it looks like Google is actually believing the idiotbacklink information it is displaying.

Yeah I agree totally, the results showing since yesterday are very disturbing.

Overall I agree now that Yahoo results are miles better than Google. Google has again pressed the self-destruct button.

All I can find is irrelevant search results and free tripod type sites which are plain awful.


 12:42 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think I can see a little boost in traffic again after 5.Aug. change.


 12:46 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

i have been watching www2 and www3 bounce all over the place today. it sure does feel like a google dance of the past.


 12:49 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

troyid, I dont think its any dance, I just think some of the internal sites have got back there PR or value, so thats why we see a little change.


 12:59 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Things seemed to have moved around yesterday. My one site that lost all Google traffic earlier this month seems to be moving back into Google's good books.


 1:02 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ditto here. One site that took a dive two weeks ago is back to its previous perfomance overnight.


 1:11 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

I just checked my keyword list in dp's tracking tool and I see a lot of green...and big numbers in the daily change column!


 2:34 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Definately something happening. Our site lost about 50% of it's SE-traffic from Google today...


 2:34 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

One of my new site (about 4 months old) was sandboxed and I was monitoring my urls for certains keywords on a regular basis.

2 months back I noticed that most of them had starting appearing in the top five results .i.e they were out of sandbox.

But since the last 7 hours, I have noticed that those same pages/urls (and using the same keyword combination as before) have been sandboxed again as I can see by adding the string "-dfsdgsdsd -sdfgsdgsdfg -sdfgsdgsdg -sdfgsdfgsdfg -dsfgsdgsdg -sdfgsdfgsdfg -sdgsdfgdsfg" after the keyword. For many keyword combination this particular technique is not working, but its working for several of them.

The result being that my traffic is down 80% for this site.


 2:47 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi Imaster, I have checked my page rank with a site that says pagerank without toolbar. It showed pr0 for my site actually my site has pr4 with the google tool bar and other similar site checkers. Some thing happening with the pr update? That could be the reason for your drop? Lost some pr? Note I have added more links this time. :)


 3:26 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

I just lost 80% of my google traffic today!


 3:31 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

It's kinda like an smoothing filter. Our primary page which has had many very high rankings for as long as we can remember (years) has suddenly dropped to page 2-3, while most of our mundane pages (even on the same domain as above) have stayed right where they were or even gone up 10-20% in rank.
Hope this isn't sticking around long, that primary page drop hurts.


 3:32 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

August 7, 04 I lost most of Google traffic. Lost ranking for keywords that had good listing.

Today it seems they have appeared again over night.

Oh happy days!


 3:33 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

>I just lost 80% of my google traffic today!

your not alone lost mine around 2am GMT ;0(


 3:33 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

I am seeing the same here, Candleman.


 3:46 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

were seeing 70 - 80% reduction in traffic on a site we launched before the sanboxing came in the of sept 2004 slight reduction in our main authority site.


 3:46 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

you seeing any reason why your back div01 and candleman


 4:16 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

50% loss here


 4:23 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Doing great...most pages jumped up 100-250 in the serps (looks like the sandbox is finally being lifted on many of our IBL's).

Anyhoo...who cares...free traffic is just the icing on the cake - a good PPC strategy helps you sleep well at night ;-)


 4:43 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

you seeing any reason why your back div01 and candleman

Don't see any reason for changes. It was quite a shock on Aug. 7 to see that there was such a change in traffic. I was being found for more than a hundred keyphrases daily and then it dropped to about twenty.

I was hoping it was just a temporary glich and I would be back. I left site as it was and So far as of today Aug. 25 all seems ok.


 5:13 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)


I have to agree with Candleman here. The Aug 7 update came out of left field for me and I did not make any significant changes to the site. This update is just as abrupt and in my case, brings the site back to square one.

[edited by: div01 at 5:17 pm (utc) on Aug. 25, 2004]


 5:14 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

WebFusion, how long did it take for your sandbox to be lifted?


 5:25 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

If you look at the serps and they look pretty poor as they do for my site, sit tight and consider giving feedback to google on the 'not satisfied?' link. Early August, the spammy directories designed to peddle adsense took over. Then they disappeared about a week ago, now they're back. With results looking this poor, I'm hopeful that with enough griping, google will deal with it. For that reason I'm sitting tight and not making any major changes.


 5:28 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm guessing, but the biggest change to me is it's looking like they turned down the screws on keyword density even more. Too high density? You're penalized. (just for that term) Check your pages and concur or not.


 5:29 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

My main site, which I think was sandboxed since it's creation on March, is now ranking on page 30 in Google for my main, very competitive keyphrase. I don't think it was listed in the top 1000 before. Is this a sign that the Sandbox has been lifted?


 5:34 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Sorry to stray even further from the topic of a PR update, but I had a thought about why some people may be losing traffic.


Could Google be devaluing links to the home page? I think that the majority of link exchanges swap links to the home page. It seems that true "quality" websites have many links to interior pages. Is it Sandbox or a devaluing of links to the home page? Maybe new links are being credited immediately (not Sandboxed), but those to the home page are being devalued.

Through my web travels lately, which have been significant due to a large link campaign, I have noticed a large number of homepages with no PR. Many of these websites have PR5+ on internal pages.

Any thoughts? Confirmations? Rebuttals?


 5:41 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

For the guys who lost 80% of there traffic and are back.

When you lost your traffic did you have PR0, or lose your title/description?

Or were you just knocked badily in the SERPS?

- Jason


 5:55 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

PR never changed, my sites just disappeared from the SERPS.


 6:11 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Those who lost traffic did you check to see if many of your pages converted to indexed links with no titles and descriptions? Many of my large sites have half pages with no title and descriptions.


 6:12 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

No PR change, no pages/urls lost, only ranking dropped real bad.


 6:27 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Same here, no PR or backlink changes, the site just disappeared from the rankings. It's the ranking algo that was being tinkered with, not the index. Unless it's clear they're done tinkering with the algo, I wouldn't do much to the site aside from maybe some tweaks to test theories.

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