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Google PR -- Next Update?
lgood123




msg:106224
 7:15 pm on Aug 18, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hello everyone. I'm a newbie to the forum and this is probably an old question, but it seems that google has not done a pr update in at least 2 months. Is this correct and does anybody know what is going on? Is there about to be a major change in how google calculates pr as well as the frequency?

 

petehall




msg:106314
 10:52 am on Aug 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

This "update" looks better to me on 216.239.37.99.

Where is the PageRank update though... will it be arriving very soon? :-)

steveb




msg:106315
 9:17 pm on Aug 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Major shake up in my niche in the past few hours, with multiple of the eight "main" datacenters showing some of the worst results Google has shown in three years.

Also tons of newer stuff basically just gone.

phpdude




msg:106316
 9:24 pm on Aug 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Looks as if they have zeroed in specific areas for the major shakeup(s).

My area as well as others that I watch show nothing but the usual shuffling here and there the same as last week when people started talking about a major shakeup. Two major shakeups in two weeks while leaving some areas untouched is not a coincidence.

The only major difference I see today is the number of indexed pages for the sites I'm interested in. Huge increase!

ownerrim




msg:106317
 10:28 pm on Aug 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Referring to Ogletree's post in message #76:

Ogletree, sometimes I feel like taking your posts, copying them down in a little book, and handing them out as part of a webmaster's bible. Your honesty and insight are compelling to say the least.

(and, no, I am not ogletree posting under a different name)

petehall




msg:106318
 10:35 pm on Aug 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Our results are back to normal!

Fantastic, this is excellent back to the way it was before August the 5th.

Right now it MUST be PageRank update time soon...

walkman




msg:106319
 10:59 pm on Aug 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

"Our results are back to normal!
Fantastic, this is excellent back to the way it was before August the 5th."

please let this be true....anyone else?

steveb




msg:106320
 11:09 pm on Aug 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Uh yeah, if you got a message board with tons of PR1 links, then you'll be happy.

But as usual, nobody cares how you personally rank. Differences in the quality of results, and ways they have changed, that is something interesting we can all possibly get some value from. This batch is the worst since last summer. Still not awful, but the amount of clean low quality sites outranking clean high quality sites is very disturbing. Again, it looks like Google is actually believing the idiotbacklink information it is displaying.

steveb




msg:106321
 11:17 pm on Aug 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

One thing I always follow that reveals when Google is screwed up is some three page articles I have. The first page has hundreds of links internally and from quite a few other sites. Page two and page three are only linked from a site map and from the other two pages. All the pages have approximately the same on page factors. Page 1 normally ranks in the top three for a search of its key term. Now page 1 is showing as an indented result under page 2, twenty to forty spots lower down (where page 2 would normally show on its own).

This inept ranking always corrects itself sooner or later, and page 1 ranks the highest of the three pages, but right now stuff is screwed up. Hopefully sooner rather than later they will get this botched data out of there.

[edited by: steveb at 11:18 pm (utc) on Aug. 24, 2004]

internetheaven




msg:106322
 11:17 pm on Aug 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

The only major difference I see today is the number of indexed pages for the sites I'm interested in.

My number of indexed pages has been bouncing constantly for about five hours now. This is a strange turn of events:

Normally it is Backlinks - > PageRank - > Update (or The Big Shuffle)

This is a new one on me, its obviously not changed to a rolling update or else there wouldn't be this major shuffle so what is the new Google strategy?

bears5122




msg:106323
 11:18 pm on Aug 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Starting to wonder if their backlinks are a sign of their upper management.

nuevojefe




msg:106324
 11:21 pm on Aug 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just some thoughts...

GG mentioned quarterly PR updates some time back as was written in this thread.

It would seem that this may be in line with the sandbox tactic. I mean, the lag-time (sandbox) hurts new sites the most (links are all new) and that was obviously considered before implementing it. Now, what better way to further ensure that new sites expecting to quickly come in and dominate receive a further set back? Simple, stop PR from appearing after a month.

If we are targeting a high dollar industry it's not going to kill us to wait three months. It's easy to get a PR6-8 after a month or so which then makes obtaining massive amounts of reciprocal links simple.

So by the time that lag wears off you've gotten a very healthy amount of links and your rankings improve (assuming all else is done correctly and no penalizations occur) continuously over the next 2-3 months as they age until you're tops. The high PR has helped all pages get indexed and you're basically set to dominate.

While sparse PR updates will further discourage small operations and get rich quick sites from starting, it really just changes strategies and time-frames a bit. That's all.

5stars




msg:106325
 11:21 pm on Aug 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

I am seeing some strange results. On minute we improve on an already decent rank (top 5)... the next pushed down at the bottom of page two.

Around and around she goes... where she stops nobody knows.

I'm praying tonight.

erykalefrak




msg:106326
 11:24 pm on Aug 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

no pr update for me somedays I have it (PR 6) and some days I show a white line. What I will say... something that seemed to have worked miracles, like a jump into the top ten for the search results targeted for a specific one of my pages, is http-equiv tags and dc tags.

bobothecat




msg:106327
 11:49 pm on Aug 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Agree with Steveb...

The 'shuffle' seems to be getting worse and worse... perhaps I'm just not link-spamming enough... who knows. :(

Sites with pr 5-7's, been around since 98-99, being trampled by pr 0's that are clearly boiler-plate, throw-away domains. Argh... :)

osfp




msg:106328
 12:11 am on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have a few site PR 5 that are somewhere in position 400 i wait now 6 months to see any improvement

bether2




msg:106329
 12:24 am on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have a few site PR 5 that are somewhere in position 400 i wait now 6 months to see any improvement

If the sites (or pages) aren't ranking after six months, maybe it's time to try making some changes.

phpdude




msg:106330
 1:05 am on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

I don't get it!

All of the people posting about problems must be in the same area.

My guess would be Travel, Gambling or Prescription related? I think those are the most heavily spammed at the moment.

The areas I watch are untouched. And in fact look pretty good. Not a single spam site on the first page.

So, at least in my area Google is doing something right. To broadly say they are screwing up is just not true. From where I sit they are doing a fine job.

Can someone at least post an area that shows such bad serps so those who are not affected can see what your all talking about?

Don't post the link, just the general term,ie: travel

nuevojefe




msg:106331
 1:12 am on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

PHPdude,

It's not necessarily that google is doing something right in your area, it can be that there just aren't any people doing anything wrong.

northweb




msg:106332
 1:13 am on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm in the travel with a pr5 site everything is stable. Looks fine)

nippi




msg:106333
 1:45 am on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

travel real estate all stable

walkman




msg:106334
 2:04 am on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

this scumbag with free counters with keyword links has all the top spots in my category. will a complaint work or is it helpless? And than there's another one who has keyword.domain.com on 100+ keywords and interlinked to his other domain (for months already). Depresing since I don't stand a chance. Makes you want to buy a new hat a few domains. I already complained but who knows.

[edited by: walkman at 2:08 am (utc) on Aug. 25, 2004]

bears5122




msg:106335
 2:07 am on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

I've seen guys like that stay up since last year. I've reported a few times but good SERPs is not Google's priority these days.

teeceo




msg:106336
 2:45 am on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm a bit lost, are people seeing a change in the search results as well as the pr? and if so, what cats.?

phpdude




msg:106337
 3:04 am on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

--it can be that there just aren't any people doing anything wrong.--

LOL>> I about fell off my chair when I saw that. One of the areas commands over 8.00 per click and you can bet the black hats are trying their best. But for some reason, they don't seem to get to far for that particular catagory since Google wacks them in very short order. I see them show for short periods and then just like a can of Raid! POW!

So, I still say at least in the areas I'm interested in they have got it down to a tee. That's why I'm curious as to what areas are such a mess.

teeceo




msg:106338
 3:58 am on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

"That's why I'm curious as to what areas are such a mess" Me2, where's the beef.

Freedom




msg:106339
 6:33 am on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

GG mentioned quarterly PR updates some time back as was written in this thread.

What? When? Where? How did I miss this?

Did he really say that?

petehall




msg:106340
 9:04 am on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Uh yeah, if you got a message board with tons of PR1 links, then you'll be happy.

But as usual, nobody cares how you personally rank. Differences in the quality of results, and ways they have changed, that is something interesting we can all possibly get some value from. This batch is the worst since last summer. Still not awful, but the amount of clean low quality sites outranking clean high quality sites is very disturbing. Again, it looks like Google is actually believing the idiotbacklink information it is displaying.

Actually our site is a PR6 and we use no trickery to achieve positions in search engines.

With a long established background and hundreds of links, I object to the opinion that we are in any way spammers or a low quality site looking for a short term gain.

Anyway back on track; when did GoogleGuy announce quarterly PR updates?

JuniorOptimizer




msg:106341
 10:45 am on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

He didn't announce it. He mentioned it in passing.

Freedom




msg:106342
 11:54 am on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Mentioned it in passing is what he usually does. There have not been many times in the last 3 years I've been hanging around this board that he has ever been black and white clear on anything. He is usually very cryptic with comments that can be interpreted a couple of different ways.

He's a good politician that way.

:-)

regal1




msg:106343
 12:27 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have a site
which I might
not reveal to you..

'cause it's got vids and pics
of naked chicks..

But I would appreciate
if my pagerank did not depreciate..

The site had a six
but I guess google don't like sex..

Now I got a zero
and I'm no longer a pagerank hero..

Perhaps it's google dancing around booble
But I would really like to know
if this is a new google show..

What the hell is going on
that's all I'd like to know
How many weeks do I wait
to see if my pagerank will ever show?

mikeD




msg:106344
 12:38 pm on Aug 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

But as usual, nobody cares how you personally rank. Differences in the quality of results, and ways they have changed, that is something interesting we can all possibly get some value from. This batch is the worst since last summer. Still not awful, but the amount of clean low quality sites outranking clean high quality sites is very disturbing. Again, it looks like Google is actually believing the idiotbacklink information it is displaying.

Yeah I agree totally, the results showing since yesterday are very disturbing.

Overall I agree now that Yahoo results are miles better than Google. Google has again pressed the self-destruct button.

All I can find is irrelevant search results and free tripod type sites which are plain awful.

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