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traffic from google has dropped
dhaliwal




msg:203576
 5:51 pm on Aug 6, 2004 (gmt 0)

anyone seen the drop in traffic from google?
I am seeing that the traffic has dropped nearly 50 % in a day while the pages in index are the same and also the SERP have not changed that way.

I am talking about traffic of nearly 7 k from google everyday and hence its a sizable decrease.

Looking for early answers on how we could check the things

 

erykalefrak




msg:203906
 3:10 pm on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

ok I have a colored backround too, not a pattern but a color... I think that would be pretty random though

dhaliwal




msg:203907
 3:50 pm on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Can the Color of the Page In Any way Effect the Traffic from google, i don't think so.

JuniorOptimizer




msg:203908
 3:59 pm on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'd file that under "Hot Air Theory 101".

erykalefrak




msg:203909
 4:14 pm on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

That is what I was basically saying but I was trying to be nice. :)

erykalefrak




msg:203910
 4:14 pm on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

as I asked earlier, does anyone whose page fell from grace, lol, have a googlebot tag in it?

dhaliwal




msg:203911
 4:56 pm on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

but will anyone now sum up, about what could be reason of fall and what should be strategy?

With so many days passed, has anyone got the hope to get back to earlier levels soon?

Dhaliwal

shri




msg:203912
 5:09 pm on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Dhaliwal,

I'm still sticking with theory number 2 on message 120.

[webmasterworld.com...]

Seems to be gaining ground, along with an improved dupe content filter.

DaveAtIFG




msg:203913
 5:21 pm on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

<Off Topic>Ahem! cabbie is very knowledgeable and I'm certain his comment re: color was made in jest. He's one of the people newbies should be listening to. (Usually!) ;)</Off Topic>

erykalefrak




msg:203914
 5:30 pm on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

ok, well, you know how I said that my PR was gone? it's gone on the index page but not on the other pages of the site, but a lot of the other pages of the site are not coming up. It used to be like so... let's say my index page was generally put with many topics relating to my industry, but I have a page that is specific... let's say saidtopic.htm so if I did a search for "said topic long island" then though my index page may not come up I would see mydomain.com/saidpage.htm in the rankings. Now it seems that the saidtopic.htm will ONLY come up as a secondary under mydomain.com listing... so if my index page is not specifically optimized for that said topic, than the rankings fell significantly.

PhraSEOlogy




msg:203915
 5:53 pm on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

DaveAtIFG,

Cabbie's post was really funny! Its nice when someone uses humour to make a point.

I have noticed a slight rebound today - visitors from google have doubled on one site - but still down overall.

DaveAtIFG




msg:203916
 6:16 pm on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Cabbie's post was really funny! Its nice when someone uses humour to make a point.
Absolutely agree with all of that! But some may not have gotten the joke... and it's just not our style to poke fun at beginners... But what do I know!

<grumbling>Nobody EVER listens to me. Hmmm... Well maybe there's a good reason for that... </grumbling>Naw! :)

What was the darn topic of the thread? ;)

caveman




msg:203917
 6:43 pm on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>What was the darn topic of the thread?

I believe it was something like: "Why is my site not doing so well?"

;-)

webdude




msg:203918
 8:24 pm on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

I don't know about you, but all my stats are down, regardless of where thay are coming from. We are in the midst of the summer doldrums. It's hard to sell a widget when everyone is out playing with them.

ltedesco




msg:203919
 8:33 pm on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have netfirms stats, and it is down too.

PhraSEOlogy




msg:203920
 8:54 pm on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

I beleive that google has turned the knob back a bit.

Significant increase in traffic from google last few hours. I have no life, so I can watch this stuff constantly.

This may be good news for all those people out there who sites bit the dust.

ltedesco




msg:203921
 9:11 pm on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

GoogleGuy where are you?

shanbr




msg:203922
 9:11 pm on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

Ok, been reading a lot of "is it this, is it that" so these are what my sites are and all are down:

1) shopping site

2) free printables site

3) party supply site

All have white backgrounds.

All have full keywords, meta etc.

All were top in the search engines for about 3 years.

keywords on pages were the right amount

information & offers were on all pages for each topic.

Robots file is not blocking.

Google hasn't crawled but 1 page per day since crash, it is the same page.

Some page ranked pages of 4 are now showing 0.

one site is completely content, one is half and half, the other is just shopping.

All three are different topics.

What I don't understand is that they are all different from each other and were tops in the search engines for years as we kept updating to google's rules. Now "Pffft" gone.

erykalefrak




msg:203923
 9:56 pm on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

exactly, then maybe we should all look at who hasn't moved... and compare/contrast differences... like I said, through this whole thing, the three other companies who I am in competition with in my area and on the specific keyword searches have not moved!

cabbie




msg:203924
 10:25 pm on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

aahemm<cough!>What can i say?I am sorry if I lead anyone astray. Please Don't bother to change your background color.It doesn't work.

I know...,I tried it.:(
I just hope my cat doesn't die on the day I get my traffic back.Cos the next time I lose 70% of my traffic I'll be looking for a cat to kill.

Thanks for the kind words Dave.:)

erykalefrak




msg:203925
 10:36 pm on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

hell, with how serious of a drop in ratings this is, and how much of a panic we are all in about it... ok some of us... ANYTHING is worth trying and looking into.

Piet




msg:203926
 11:49 pm on Aug 11, 2004 (gmt 0)

On usenet I read something that might explain something:

"If you cross-link disproportionately between multiple host-names you may be wiped out in Google for all the terms contained in your anchor text"

As an explanation for "disproportionately" a number of probably 100+ was given.

As the traffic drop occurred while PR and backlinks where updated, this might be a clue about what's happening.

Two of my site have lost about 90% of traffic. And both are sites that are quite heavily cross-linked to other sites (that offer related products, so it's just a service to generate sales and not a PR trick).

On the other hand: both sites have mirrors in different languages on seperate domains. And those sites are still getting the same amount of traffic (that's what puzzles me most: it looks like something happened at random).

danny




msg:203927
 2:27 am on Aug 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

My evaluation of the change so far -- call it a "best guess", since I claim no special knowledge and only have a couple of sites -- is similar to Shri's:

* more aggressive duplication filter (I'm not posting reviews to Usenet any more, some archive/mirrors of old posts are ranking above my own pages!)

* devaluing of internal link anchor text (possibly with some kind of penalty for link structure and a lack of outgoing links)

IITian




msg:203928
 2:29 am on Aug 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think that with this update Google has increased its lead over its rivals. It seems to be becoming quite smart in nuking SEOed sites.

trimmer80




msg:203929
 2:45 am on Aug 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Totally disagree.

From the SERPs i have seen google has lost a lot of ground over competitors.

I am seeing nothing but spam and poorly seo'ed sites at the top of many industries.

50 Links in Hidden text, spam keyword lists in noframes tags and the list continues.
If this is the way forward, then the internet is in trouble.

shri




msg:203930
 2:52 am on Aug 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

>> some kind of penalty for link structure

I've been doing some light reading over the last two days and this could also be true.

Apparently an easy way to find duplicate sites is to look at their link structure and not their content.

I would imagine if there were 50,000 sites with internal links that had the anchor text "furry green widgets for gerbils" the target pages would be classfied into one set and possibly only one result is pulled out from that set. Similar URLs end up pointing to similar content (which is perhaps why google keeps telling us .. use "-" to seperate .. when we know other seperators work.

So, how about this.


<a href="/furry-green-widgets.html">Buy furry green widgets</a>

Remove all the stop words, generic words and noise from here.. and you're left with a page very specifically about "furry green widgets".

This could take out a lot of the datafeed driven sites and sites in travel etc, which have relied heavily on internal anchor text.

Yeah, I know I'm going to get slapped around for focusing on this... BUT


Iocaine Powder's basic meta-strategy is simple: Use past performance to judge future results.

and


One must remember, when participating in a contest of this type, that we are not attempting to model natural phenomena or predict user actions; instead, these programs are competing against hostile opponents who are trying very hard not to be predictable. <snip>

<snip>Since it's the "dumb" entries that make RoShamBo interesting, so the challenge is mostly to figure out the things entrants who are not very bright will think of

Cool for me .. I'm generally not very bright with SEO techniques and do the dumbest things which well .. *shakes his head*

<added>Anyone remember when we were told that allinanchor or allintext (sorry.. i barely knew that command then..) was a good for your results? What happened? Everyone focused on that ... and then... </added>

[edited by: shri at 2:58 am (utc) on Aug. 12, 2004]

lorenzinho2




msg:203931
 2:53 am on Aug 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have some more data.

The way my site works is that pages are created via template, and content fills itself in little by little (user driven content) over time.

Pages with content are showing fine in the SERPS. Pages without content are showing as URLs only.

Previously, any new page would be indexed and would appear normally in the SERPS, regardless of how much content had been filled in.

It would make sense that internal links from those low content pages classified as url only would be devalued in Google's eyes. Hence across the board lower rankings for my site.

Seems to be amped up dupe content filtering, leading to decreased internal linking clout.

quotations




msg:203932
 3:04 am on Aug 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

A company with offices (or co-conpirators) in Uraquay, Mexico, and Brazil may be part of the cause of this.

They have copied hundreds of sites and cloaked their porn site using the content of these hundreds of other sites.

If you find the offending sites in the index via a detailed enough search for your site, you will see that the cache is a copy of your site and the real page is a fake front page which related to the topic of your site but is really a front end to their porn site signup.

Both Google and Yahoo have been fooled into accepting the duplicate pages into their indexes and hitting the original or the copy or both with a duplicate content penalty.

E-mails to both Yahoo and Google have been ignored.

rickbender1940




msg:203933
 5:28 am on Aug 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

A company with offices (or co-conpirators) in Uraquay, Mexico, and Brazil may be part of the cause of this.

They have copied hundreds of sites and cloaked their porn site using the content of these hundreds of other sites.

If you find the offending sites in the index via a detailed enough search for your site, you will see that the cache is a copy of your site and the real page is a fake front page which related to the topic of your site but is really a front end to their porn site signup.

Both Google and Yahoo have been fooled into accepting the duplicate pages into their indexes and hitting the original or the copy or both with a duplicate content penalty.

E-mails to both Yahoo and Google have been ignored.

Thta's a very intriguing theory. Certainly, I've seen more and more excerpts of my site showing up in the SERPs (with better positioning than my page which they link to). Never dug deeper to check for full copies. How would we check this network's cloaked pages? Could you PM me the network's address.

Copper




msg:203934
 6:29 am on Aug 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have noticed a sudden drop in PR in some of the sites. Sites which earlier had a PR of 5 have suddenly ( one fine day ) become zero.
Their Backlinks are intact, the pages are there in Google database, the inner pages too have a PR, but the index page doesnt. Has anyone else witnessed the same.

I have seen this in 3 websites as of now.

Cheers
Copper

europeforvisitors




msg:203935
 6:33 am on Aug 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Certainly, I've seen more and more excerpts of my site showing up in the SERPs (with better positioning than my page which they link to).

I've found excerpts (or whole pages) from my site on other sites, too. One blatant offender is in Georgia (the republic, not the U.S. state). I just ran across some of my content on a "scraper" site in Russia whose Webmaster address (found on WHOIS) is at a teen porn domain.

I don't know how Google can determine whose duplicate content came first. Is it practical for Google to maintain its own "Wayback Machine" for everything on the Web? I suppose one technique that Google could use would be to look for things like shady SEO techniques, where inbound links are coming from, whether pages appear to be computer-generated "scraper site" pages, etc. and make a judgment based on the perceived overall legitimacy of each site. If Google isn't trying something like this now, maybe it should be doing so.

[edited by: europeforvisitors at 6:40 am (utc) on Aug. 12, 2004]

ferfer




msg:203936
 6:37 am on Aug 12, 2004 (gmt 0)

Today I have been seeing that some sites now above mine have a good part of my content into their pages, hidden by different techniques, this is not new.

The new part is that those sites pages are now above mines, and that may be some new duplicate rule, or it is because those sites are more 1 topic than mine, so my copy works better for them.

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