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Expired domains Ban from Google
Ban from Google because Expired domains have been bought.

 6:22 am on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

I bought 3 months ago 2 expired domains thru Snapnames. I did it because it where a Premium names, not because their PR (2 of them didn´t have any PR).

After 3 months these domains (highly linked from my other domains) still have PR0 and google does not spider those sites.

I understand this can be any kind of penalize to avoid the buying of Expired PR Domains.

My question is if someone know how to proceed and how long will take to remove this ban and when should google spider my domains.

All this domains have their own quality content and the stats have show a few Google´s Bot visits for this months... but no news in their database... Also the sites shows Adsense ads without any problem.

I wrote a few times in this long time to Google, but as allways they never answer...

Any ideas?



 8:25 am on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

I used to purchased a few expired domain accidentally. They were PR0 for a year until recently the penalty removed and it is now PR5.


 8:54 am on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have a client who picked up a domain thru another company, not snapnames but similar (can't recall which).

Anyway, there are still old links pointed at the domain, and the site has a whitebar and google won't respider the root url. It will, however, spider deeper pages.

I e-mailed Google and they said (quite promptly) that their engineering people would have a look. This was a while back now, and I haven't heard anything yet...

Too bad, it's great domain for my client; not so bad because it seems they will spider the deeper content, which is where all of the good stuff will be anyway!


 10:54 am on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

After a max of 12 months this penatly will be gone. One some domains it took 11 months or less.


 11:25 am on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Google has mentioned that their system will zero the PR of expired domains, but start counting new links towards the domain from that point on. However, I am not sure if they are really doing this. I have seen many expired domains keep their PR and many others loose them. It's a hit and miss thing. As others mentioned, it appears the penalties get removed after about a year.


 11:55 am on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Can someone enlighten me as to why they need to apply a penalty? In particular, why they wouldn't remove the penalty after a 'valid' reinclusion request is made? Seems useless...


 1:01 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

I am actually testing this currently with an expired that had pr and links. The pr dropped to zero and the backlinks were ignored. So basically starting all over. I have 3 new backlinks that were place about a month ago and still nothing. I figure it will take at the minimum 3 to 6 months to even start recognizing the domain again.
i'll be sure to post back when any changes occur


 4:41 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

In my experience an expired domain that runs afoul of the Google penalty (and not all seem to) will stay whitebar for a year to eighteen months, no matter how many quality backlinks you throw at it. Then the penalty seems to expire and pagerank is calculated more or less normally. (I say "more or less" because I have a couple of these domains that seem to have lower PR than they ought -- but I could be wrong.)


 4:54 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

I understand if they ban only the backlinks that used to be owned. But to ban new links is just wrong!
That basically means if you find a great domain that was once used, it is automatically penalized. Hopefully this isn't the case and it is just a short timeframe.
Anyone else have solid experience or comments?


 5:08 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

I bought a generic one word .org - which had been previously registered by someone else and they let it expire. After 4 / 5 months and with some decent links it still did not appear in Google. I did just happen to also own the .info (which I had registered some time earlier) I decided to "experiment" and changed some links that I had on a few other sites I maintained to link to .info - instead of .org. (the .info happened to be pointing to .org but had no links)

Amazingly - within 7 days the .info was in Google.

I have been told by others that it can take up to 12 months for an expired and re-registered domain to show up in Google - this was my "work around". Not ideal - as frankly for the subject matter and "approach" the .org would have been more appropriate in my opinion.

Still got some links going to .org - but I'm slowly getting people to change the links to go to .info.

The hosting is all on the .org - with the .info simply pointing at it - but it appears as far as Google is concerned the .org does not exist.


 7:56 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Somebody just stole a domain from me due to the fact the company that looks after my websites feel asleep.

I am real pleased Google keeps a watch on things like this.

My site had around 100 backlinks pointing to it and had PR4 I hope the crook that stole it along with anybody else who may wish to buy stolen domains get nothing from Google and just waste their money.

Hoooorrraaggghhhhh I feel a whole lot better now.


 8:08 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

If you have an expired domain name and it appears to have problems in the index although it has new links and real content on it, a reinclusion request is a must. I've had this happen to one of my expired domain names and I put in a reinclusion request and after it was reviewed it was put back into the index fairly quickly.


 9:23 pm on Jul 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Somebody just stole a domain from me due to the fact the company that looks after my websites feel asleep.
I am real pleased Google keeps a watch on things like this.

My site had around 100 backlinks pointing to it and had PR4 I hope the crook that stole it along with anybody else who may wish to buy stolen domains get nothing from Google and just waste their money.

Hoooorrraaggghhhhh I feel a whole lot better now.

Completely off topic really...this is about sites that are genuinely expired...

I think waiting 12 to 18 months is absolutely pathetic...meaning a very stale index....or lots of new spam keyword-keywrod-keywrod domains that haven't been registered before


 4:11 pm on Jul 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

The penalties have only been applied systematically for maybe 2-3 months now. Prior to this, there were countless posts stating that google penalized expired domains by removing their backlinks and pr.

I don't know if people tried to disinform others by such posts or if they truly felt that way, but I can say that Google penalties on expired domains have not been my experience at all, until recently (I manage a large portfolio of expired domains).

I am curious to see how Google will treat new links to penalized expired domains in the coming months.


 7:04 pm on Jul 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well I have 4 sites experience. For 3 months the domains are not back in Google yet. But other expired domain have pr6 and it remains... Google did not reset it to pr0...

looks it sometimes fails.


 12:04 am on Jul 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

Experience based on 1 site only of 90 high content pages with about 35-40 inbound links...

I bought a domain name thinking it was a fresh, un-used name and only found out later that it was a re-cycled name.

Google found the inbound links, indexed the site quickly and allocated PR to every page a while later... no different from any new site.

Two months later, the PR adjusted downwards, all pages more than 1 click from the home page became PR0, the site became invisible in searches and traffic dwindled to 10-12 uniques a day.

Its been like that since March 04. Despite the addition of new inbound links (its an attractive link partner) the site remains invisible.

Is the site being indexed?... yes
Are backlinks showing... yes
Is PR showing... partially
Is it showing in SERP's ... seems not
Are links still showing from the original expired site...yes

All I can say is that it certainly seems to be acting differently to any other site I have ever done and the traffic is abysmal.... the local bicycle shop would be getting more traffic than this site!

The only common denominator I can see is the fact that its a re-used domain name.... but I really don't know if that is a factor or not.


 5:33 am on Jul 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

My experience is similar... the real expired-domain killer algo has only been around for 4 months.

Sites that were expired and PR0 have taken about 12 months to recover.


 5:59 am on Jul 31, 2004 (gmt 0)

So do you recomend me contact again webmaster@google.com about this issue... or just wait?


 8:37 am on Aug 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

If you have real unique content on those domains definitly contact Google about reinclusion, why wait!

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