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all our sites become PR0 suddenly
PR0; PR update
johnlim




msg:93897
 8:44 am on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

all our sites become PR0 suddenly; it was PR5 or PR4 yesterday even in this morning, just a few hours later now all our sites become PR0, anybody has simiar phenomina today and what is the real reason?

 

johnlim




msg:93898
 11:39 am on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

And more worse, even the hoempage is not cached, if use allinurl:domain.com hten not any pages are inside the cache

trillianjedi




msg:93899
 12:12 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

Sounds to me like you've been penalised for breaching googles TOS and removed from the index.

Have a look at the webmaster guidelines on googles website.

Your own post and the replies on this thread:-

[webmasterworld.com...]

.... may point you in the right direction.

TJ

DVDBurning




msg:93900
 3:04 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

johnlim,
Do your sites link to each other? Are they on the same IP address, or in the same C class (IP addresses are identical for the first three octets AAA.BBB.CCC.****)? Chances are, you've been caught by the new "network of sites" filter. If so, you're not alone. While it used to be just fine to cross-link between sites owned by the same person or organization, as long as you were not duplicating content, there seems to be a filter in place that penalizes crosslinking. This may not apply in all cases, such as when one of the sites has a high PageRank (6 or greater seems to help avoid some filters).

If this is not the case... check the Google Terms of Service for other possible reasons that you could have received a penalty.

johnlim




msg:93901
 3:09 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

Yes, all our fives sites are in C class IP. But they are not cross linked.....I feel very suffered as I don't know what is the reason....All our five sites die...Not cached for even one page.....

trillianjedi




msg:93902
 3:21 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

I feel very suffered as I don't know what is the reason

If you have a thorough look at googles TOS you should be able to work out the reason quite easily.

In the recent "update" quite a few sites that were buying or selling links for the purpose of PR got the chop.

TJ

uncle_bob




msg:93903
 4:36 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

Check your log files to see if the googlebot is still visiting your pages. If it isn't - double check your firewall filters and robots.txt files to make sure you are not blocking googlebot (or all spiders for that matter).

the_nerd




msg:93904
 4:39 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

In the recent "update" quite a few sites that were buying or selling links for the purpose of PR got the chop.

Is that so? Not just killing PR passing any longer? Sounds to be more ethical than letting newbies pay for nothing.

johnlim




msg:93905
 4:49 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

still have robots visit.....

sublime1




msg:93906
 10:39 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

Sounds like you may be experiencing the same things several others of us here are. Check out this other thread: [webmasterworld.com ] for details.

graywolf




msg:93907
 11:35 pm on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

In the recent "update" quite a few sites that were buying or selling links for the purpose of PR got the chop.

Well a certain well known EDU newspaper that sells over 50 links has:

1 pharmacy link
1 vi*gra link
9 casino links

and is still is passing PR.

webnewton




msg:93908
 4:05 am on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Do your sites link to each other? Are they on the same IP address, or in the same C class (IP addresses are identical for the first three octets AAA.BBB.CCC.****)? Chances are, you've been caught by the new "network of sites" filter.

DVD is right, you're penalised. Solutions:

1)Chage I.P's(dissimmilare first 3 octets')
2)Remove interlinking from the sites.
3)If the content duplication is there remove it.
4)Remove all the link that you think could be considered as bad neighbourhood.

Your sites might come back in 3-4 months.

johnlim




msg:93909
 12:08 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

1. Our sites don't link to each other.
2. All our five sites are in three IPs, IP1 has 2 sites; IP2 has two sites and IP3 has only one site.
3. Yes, they are in the same C class.
4. No duplicate contents.
5. Before our these five main sites, our another directory sites in one of these IP become white already....

Pls help this so urgent issue......

trillianjedi




msg:93910
 12:22 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

4. No duplicate content.

That's not an honest answer.

I don't normally get into reviewing sites (johnlim stickied me some domains), but you have massive duplicate content over about 5 domains, all in the same C-class.

That content duplication would be very very obvious to a bot, and having the same contact phone number for a couple of the sites as you do would only underline it to a human doing a manual review. Google are not stupid.

See my first post in this thread. All the information you need is in google's webmaster guidelines. This is your one:-

Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially duplicate content.

I only took a quick 10 second look at a couple of your pages and domains. There may be other problems, but if you read google's guidelines you will see what is and what isn't allowed.

TJ

johnlim




msg:93911
 2:15 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

TJ,

I don't agree what you said "it is not an honest answer".

To the extent as I know, I don't think all our five sites has sitewide duplicate contents, I saw other guys' sites has more simiar contents and don't have any problem.....So I never think of it is because of "duplicate contents"

rogerd




msg:93912
 2:23 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Johnlim, duplicate content is duplicate content... even if you observe other sites that are successful with some kind of risky technique, that doesn't mean that you won't get caught yourself.

trillianjedi




msg:93913
 2:34 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

The core content of your sites (the real meat on the bone) is complete duplication.

Your navigation, link text etc, has been varied, but the substance (actual content) of each site is identical.

I'll highlight this from googles TOS for you again:-

Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantially duplicate content.

Can you honestly answer that you haven't done that?

That question is rhetorical.

I'm not questioning your honesty - the point I wanted to make is to get help from people on this problem, you need to explain everything or you just leave people guessing as to what the problem might be. If you were honest, you were economic with that honesty.

;-)

When "duplicate content" was first suggested by someone above, that's what they meant. It's duplicate content as far as google is concerned, not as far as you are concerned by examining what other people are doing and getting away with.

I don't think all our five sites has sitewide duplicate contents

I can take the back-half of one of your URL's, copy and paste it onto the end of one of your other domains, and land on the same page, with a different header and footer.

I would hazzard a guess that all five sites are running from the same database backend (either one database, or 5 copies of the same database). That database is your core content.

To try and get the thread into more constructive terriotory, and in terms of fixing the problem, I think you should ditch 4 of the sites and concentrate on one.

Once you have done that, and are certain in all other respects that you comply with googles guidelines (I assume you have now read them?), send google an email and request re-inclusion for that one domain.

I'm sure others can make other suggestions also. I've never had this problem, so I don't know the likely outcome I'm afraid.

TJ

johnlim




msg:93914
 3:32 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Looks like our sites are banned by google, not cached even by one page.....(AllinURL return 0; even search domain name cannot find, homepage also not cached)

But googlebot still visit.....

It is a rule that if one site is banned by google then googlebot will NEVER visit site again?

rogerd




msg:93915
 3:47 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

If Googlebot is still visiting, johnlim, try and fix your content issues and perhaps you'll get back in.

claimsweb




msg:93916
 5:46 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

>>In the recent "update" quite a few sites that were buying or selling links for the purpose of PR got the chop<<

TJ this may well be one reason why we lost our main site last month but its the first time Ive seen it mentioned. We had a pretty clean site that had ranked well since Florida but we decided to match our competitors by paying for a few (thousand) links.

When we got dropped the linking issue was the first thing I thought of as a primary reason for our removal. I cant discount there being others but my gut feel is that it was down to non-topical paid links.

Against this of course is the fact that plenty of other sites doing exactly the same thing are still unaffected. Im sure I read somewhere that long standing link partnerships might be protected from any algo change.

Anyone else experienced this or is there a discussion some place Ive missed? Do you think G will forgive once the links are wiped or is that a no hoper?

JuniorOptimizer




msg:93917
 6:49 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think they would forgive it. If it was the links that caused the problems, removing them should reverse the trouble.

trillianjedi




msg:93918
 6:59 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

claimsweb:-

I'm beginning to think it was manually effected.

I'm also seeing other sites slide through the net. I believe google have employees going through lists.

For what it's worth.

TJ

plasma




msg:93919
 7:17 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Let me quote HHGG:

"DON'T PANIC"

I guess this is just temporarily. There isn't something like a penalty. Just be patient and wait a few days.
Thing like these happen occasionaly, even to us. It has never been a penalty.

webnewton




msg:93920
 7:28 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Dear Johnlim

There is no doubt your site has been penalised. You only try can be an email to webmaster@google.com with " Reinclusion Request" in the subject.
You can tell them that it seems your sites have been penalised and you don't know why.(if you feel you have't employed any unfair practice to your sites.
Google guy had once suggested the same to on of the WW member and assured that Google team would listen. Try you luck!

trillianjedi




msg:93921
 7:35 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

You only try can be an email to webmaster@google.com with " Reinclusion Request" in the subject.

I would strongly advise against doing that until the problems have been resolved.

TJ

johnlim




msg:93922
 11:09 pm on Jul 1, 2004 (gmt 0)

Looks like all our sites are banned, all the pages are drop out of the index database completely. Even homepage are not cached now. I am a little panic because I have never encounter such things before...

I strong suspect it is maybe we link to spammers, I don't think the "duplicate content" will cause such serious suffer....

Pls help

Krapulator




msg:93923
 12:44 am on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

johnlim, you have just received some quality advice from a couple of the most experienced and knowledgable members of this forum. IMHO you would be very silly to ignore their answers in this thread.

claimsweb




msg:93924
 7:24 am on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

TJ

I guess from your reply that there isnt what you might call a paid links penalty - save for a few manually adjusted sites that may well have been subject to some selective whistleblowing.

Not sure my site was manually adjusted because usually when you fall victim to such a review you are wiped immediately along with a zero PR or grey bar. Mine was more a slow death over 3 weeks.

Either way there is no looking back - youve got to fix what you think was wrong and then move forward. If nothing else you learn a valuable lesson.

trillianjedi




msg:93925
 9:11 am on Jul 2, 2004 (gmt 0)

I guess from your reply that there isnt what you might call a paid links penalty - save for a few manually adjusted sites that may well have been subject to some selective whistleblowing.

That's what I believe, yes. It appears that way to me based on the sites that I am looking at. It's not a wide enough cross section though to know for sure. My best guess if you like.

Not sure my site was manually adjusted because usually when you fall victim to such a review you are wiped immediately along with a zero PR or grey bar.

Not necessarily. Google don't want to let the black or grey hats know too much, so I believe they often coincide manual penalties with a backlink update, or some other update just to keep everyone guessing.

TJ

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