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PR and Backlink Update
8:30 pm EDST
graywolf




msg:176186
 12:39 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

I am seeing a PR/backlinks update on some of my sites

 

trillianjedi




msg:176246
 12:34 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

I am not noticing any change in the SERPs

The big change is lots of new PR0's for sites that have been selling text links and those displaying them.

A lot of them nuked. They missed a few, so my guess is manual penalty.

TJ

McMohan




msg:176247
 12:52 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

djgreg

Your site problem IMHO, is created by a third webpage that is redirecting to your site and thus has gobbled up your site. Search for your site www.xyz.com in Google shows www.abc.com. Ditto the problem I am facing with one of my sites too.

Best wishes

Mc

djgreg




msg:176248
 1:32 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

mcmohan:

wow, I didn't realize this. The link which is shown is like example.com/sites/out.cgi?id=224

How can Google confuse my site with this copied site.
Did you take any action?

[edited by: Woz at 5:13 am (utc) on June 25, 2004]
[edit reason] fixed URL [/edit]

Watcher of the Skies




msg:176249
 1:37 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Sorry to get back on the topic but... ;)

Does anyone know when was the last time there was an update of backlinks, and of PR - NOT necessarily together, just when each of those were last updated by Google? Following on that, how soon after that did the SERPS move? Any (rough) patterns developing? Thanks.
WOTS

trillianjedi




msg:176250
 1:52 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

WOTS,

Last update about a month or so ago.

SERPS are on a rolling update.

TJ

McMohan




msg:176251
 1:53 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

WOTS - I have compiled the patterns/trends in this update, couple of posts back. I am sure you will get the answer. I am not sure which date was the last update. Just dig into Google News threads, you will know.

djgreg

Can you confirm if those 801 backlink are to your site or to the redirecting page? In my case it is to the redirecting page. I will wait for a day and try my luck with an email to google and ask the webmaster of that site to remove the redirect. It seems, its rather easy to knock your competitor off this way. I have just started a thread. Let me see if that gets posted.

Best Wishes

Mc

bobby_boy




msg:176252
 2:17 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

You mention the SERPS are on a rolling update. Does that mean that the change in backlinks and page rank is currently being reflected in the SERPS or do you think there is a change to come?

trillianjedi




msg:176253
 2:38 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Does that mean that the change in backlinks and page rank is currently being reflected in the SERPS

Yes I do think that.

The SERPS are updated fairly regularly as anchor text etc fluctuates.

The backlinks I believe are taken into account, with the official backlink count and PR being updated and "displayed" about once a month or so (it does vary).

TJ

gefilte




msg:176254
 2:42 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Got PR for all my pages now, lovin' on the G:)

djgreg




msg:176255
 2:47 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

ohoh,

my major site has a PR0 now on www.domain.com but de.domain.com has still PR. All subpages have PR0 but rankings haven't changed so far.
God, I hope this site will not end up in the sandbox

oaktown




msg:176256
 3:03 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

For cryin' out loud! When I went to sleep last night, I was a pretty happy camper. One site (new) went from PR0 to PR3, and another (which had been a 5 with a bunch of 4s directly under it) stayed a 5, but all the pages below went to 5s. Now it's as though I dreamed the whole thing. Is everything still bouncing around? Please clue be in folks.

CathyM




msg:176257
 3:16 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Is everything still bouncing around?

It is for me. Actually, I only saw the new page rank on my site for a brief moment last night (my newer pages have been PR 0 for a while and they finally showed as PR 5 and 6). This morning, the interior pages again show as PR 0. I would assume that the data centers are still dancing and it might take a day or so to settle down.

creative craig




msg:176258
 3:27 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Mine has been stable since this PR update has started. From a PR4 to a PR6 and a few other increases on my other sites.

oaktown




msg:176259
 3:36 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

What stumps me is that it was like I saw a whole different world. It wasn't just MY site, or even just several of my sites, I saw the changes on several client sites as well. Could it be an issue with my "hosts" file? Or maybe I should just put the aluminum foil back in the lining of my hat.

Thanks guys, but I'm still in the dark. It's as though the whole thing never happened. (sigh)

webhound




msg:176260
 3:42 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

well looks to me (at least in my field, drug related), that G has missed the mark with this PR update. Almost all the top sites have their backlinks coming from completely unrelated guest book type stuff.

Try again G.

Regency




msg:176261
 4:00 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Well I got completely jacked this update! Our PR7 site just dropped to a 0. Also, about three weeks ago our site disappeared from its mostly top 5 ranks. What also is strange is that after recently launching our aff. program with CJ, a few of our affiliates have basically copied and pasted our homepage content onto their sites. Could we be seeing a bit of both penalties, duplicate content and some sort of link filter?

On another note, I always thought that inbound links were supposed to help, but could never hurt, your ranks. We had been purchasing high PR links through a company (won't mention who!) and they were the type that puts the same anchor text on every page of the site, sometimes more than 2000 pages in one domain. I now trully think that Google is filtering these types of links, and maybe even penalizing sites that are linked to, not just from. It is strange because we have at least 300 good, on topic links from individual sites as well as the "bought" links. Any ideas?

trillianjedi




msg:176262
 4:06 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

We had been purchasing high PR links through a company (won't mention who!).

You've been nuked. See my message #61.

Seen an awful lot of these PR0's this morning.

TJ

Catalyst




msg:176263
 4:32 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

YEAAAA! Thanks for the heads up. I just checked and my brand new site just got PR 4 - right out of the gate! I just launched it about a month ago. WooHoo I am soooo excited!

Linda

[edited by: Marcia at 9:10 pm (utc) on June 23, 2004]

jo1ene




msg:176264
 4:36 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

My entire new web site (same domain, total restructuring) that was uploaded a week ago is now fully spidered. My home page still has PR but, obviously the deeper pages have none yet. I was worried about deleting old content before the G spider came through. Guess I don't have to worry about it any more. I'm seeing new backlinks also, FROM MARCH!

muesli




msg:176265
 4:36 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

i've the impression pagerank is indeed evenly distributed between the net's all pages. as this number grows, PR decreases:

a couple of big sites that have gone from 7 to 6 within the last year have now gone to 5, despite be relatively steady in importance and backlinks. some i monitor others have gained backlinks that would easiliy have made them PR6 a year ago still stay at 5.

perfidus




msg:176266
 5:00 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

"On another note, I always thought that inbound links were supposed to help, but could never hurt, your ranks. We had been purchasing high PR links through a company (won't mention who!) and they were the type that puts the same anchor text on every page of the site, sometimes more than 2000 pages in one domain. I now trully think that Google is filtering these types of links, and maybe even penalizing sites that are linked to, not just from. It is strange because we have at least 300 good, on topic links from individual sites as well as the "bought" links. Any ideas? "

This is false, because this mean i can hurt a site by adding links in all my 5,000 pages in a PR7 website.

mahlon




msg:176267
 5:21 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

New sight I submitted 6 weeks ago is indexed and now is showing backlinks and a PR5!

yippee!

danaj




msg:176268
 5:24 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Can someone tell me what the 216.239.51.99 you are referrring to is?

I was happy initially as my site went from PR4 to 5, but now it's back at 4.

And I believe I am still sandboxed (site opened in March). When I search "all in title" for my main keywords, I'm 5th on the page, but when I do a regular search, I'm nowhere to be found.

WebFusion




msg:176269
 5:44 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

We had been purchasing high PR links through a company (won't mention who!).

You've been nuked. See my message #61.

Seen an awful lot of these PR0's this morning.

Well gee...if that's the case, let me go buy a few links to my competitor's sites so I can get them penalized....

If google (or any other search engine for that matter) actually started penalizing a site for site that link TO it, then there would be a free for all "mercenary" movement in getting your competitors penlaized and/or banned.

No...the only possible (and responsible) way for google to deal with it would be to either manually disallow the passing of PR from a site to external sites, or develop an alog that can detect completely unrelated sites.

Having said that....an algo would be very difficult, inmy opinion. For exampleL We sell products that appeal to the "college age" crowd, and buy several text ads on college-based sites (which generates a very good return for us). Now, should our site be penalized because it's not education or college related?

oaktown




msg:176270
 5:46 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

danaj,

216.239.51.99 is one of the datacenters (DCs). The results you get can vary (especially just after an update), depending on which DC you hit. I think I got this right, but if not I am certain somebody with more experience and knowledge will set me straight.

Pass the Dutchie




msg:176271
 6:11 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

All five of my sites jumped up to PR6/7 from PR4/5 yet no changes in the SERP. Any idea if the PR change will effect the SERP in the next 24 hours? I thought SERP altered way before you actually noticed the PR. Any feedback?

WebFusion




msg:176272
 6:16 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

All five of my sites jumped up to PR6/7 from PR4/5 yet no changes in the SERP. Any idea if the PR change will effect the SERP in the next 24 hours? I thought SERP altered way before you actually noticed the PR. Any feedback?

I noticed a jump in our serps (by about 100 places) roughly 10 days ago. They've been hovering around those palces since, so I think the actual (non-visible) recalc was done sometime around then.

your_store




msg:176273
 6:19 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

let me go buy a few links to my competitor's sites so I can get them penalized
He didn't get nuked because those pages were linking to him. It was simply the side effect of all his links being downgraded. When you are pulling all your PR & anchor text from obviously bought links, you go down when they do. Especially, when you're talking about 2,000 links from the same domain.

Back on topic.. I'm seeing a 300% increase in the number of internal backlinks reported. Other than that, more or less business as usual.

trillianjedi




msg:176274
 6:45 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Webfusion,

These are manual (human) nukes, not automated.

Automating in this way would simply not be possible for the reasons you have correctly outlined. Other sites linking to the "nuked" site have been auto-nuked due to the old "bad neighbourhood" rule.

Ramifications have had a dramatic effect on the SERPS overall for some very highly competitive terms due to the follow-through effect of loss of inbounds to the companies buying the links.

They got buried (the buyers) due to their purchased links becoming worthless, the sites selling got a manual nuke and sites linking to the manually nuked site got auto-nuked.

Hope that makes sense.

;-)

TJ

nutsandbolts




msg:176275
 6:51 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Sure, updates on PR and backlinks but no real SERP movements. Blah...

phpdude




msg:176276
 6:53 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

Please provide proof that a manual nuke has been applied.

Google very rarely will apply anything manually. With all the different sites offering links for sale, they would have to employ someone full time just to stay on top of it.

What evidence is your opinion based on?

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