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An "island" of related sites
How many sites on one account until G considers it an island?
brizad

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Msg#: 24493 posted 10:02 pm on Jun 21, 2004 (gmt 0)

Just wondering how many inter-linked sites I should put on one hosting account, before G would consider it an island and discount the weight of the inbound links.

I'm thinking time and economics here. If I have 20 sites on 20 different hosting accounts I am sure that would be best. However, if I could put 2 or more sites per account then I could save some $$$ and also the administration would be easier. I would not want to save a few bucks though if it would hurt the "weight" of my cross links.

Any thoughts?

 

birdstuff

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Msg#: 24493 posted 1:01 pm on Jun 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

I would think it depends on how you link. If you link from every page of every site to every other site it's just a matter of time before you're penalized.

brizad

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Msg#: 24493 posted 6:23 pm on Jun 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

I agree, I was just thinking of linking index pages. I figured 2-3 sites on a server would be OK, but I wonder if anyone has any actual experience with this.

cabbie

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Msg#: 24493 posted 6:48 pm on Jun 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have 3 big sites on 1 server and same C block of ips.No problems with them at the moment(6mths)but I fear if 1 goes they all might.:( I might also add each have a lot of independent links to them.

ownerrim

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Msg#: 24493 posted 7:49 pm on Jun 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

I was recently thinking of the same issue. I wonder if it would be safest to simply stick a new site on a different host to guarantee that links would not be discounted. what happens, though, if you run adsense from one account on both sites? does google at some point figure out that you own both sites and decide to discount the links between them? or am i too paranoid?

SlyOldDog

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Msg#: 24493 posted 9:17 pm on Jun 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

We had sites on several different hosts and only cross-linked the home pages and all the sites bar 1 got zapped anyhow.

So I'd say it's the sites that matter, not the host.

atlrus

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Msg#: 24493 posted 9:52 pm on Jun 22, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have about 100 websites on one account, and 99 of them link to the 100th, and so far everything has been just fine...

brizad

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Msg#: 24493 posted 12:15 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have about 100 websites on one account, and 99 of them link to the 100th, and so far everything has been just fine...

Wow, how long have those been up?

It's hard to say if G would *penalize* the sites for all being on one server. After all, there are maybe 100's of sites on every server so there is the possibility that some of them might be linked even by chance.

I was just thinking that if 10 or 20 sites are all on the same server AND linked together then they would stick out like a sore thumb as as an island of linked sites and maybe even a small link farm. If G saw it that way then maybe they would discount the inbound links at the least or blacklist the sites at the worst.

There has to be a threshold at some level... whatever it is 2 sites? 3 sites? Who knows.

rfgdxm1

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Msg#: 24493 posted 1:36 am on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

>It's hard to say if G would *penalize* the sites for all being on one server. After all, there are maybe 100's of sites on every server so there is the possibility that some of them might be linked even by chance.

And people often choose a server on the recommendation of people they know, and with personal sites people often do link to the sites of people who are just friends. Thus if Google is dealing with this algorithmically, they'd want to set the penalty level high enough to avoid dinging lots of amateur sites.

brizad

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Msg#: 24493 posted 8:53 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

I guess I should clarify that I am speaking about commercial sites and not amature or personal sites. For personal sites there is really no concern about links and page rank. After all, usually you just send an email to grandma with the URL of your page.

With a commercial site you obviously have to concern yourselves with page rank and incoming links. I agree though that G must have some sort of a threshold. I hope so anyway....

webdude

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Msg#: 24493 posted 9:00 pm on Jun 23, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have around 40 commercial sites on one server with the same ip block. Not one of the sites link to each other. All links are from other sites coming in. I believe that is the safest route. Besides, on my server, all the sites are different for different companies. I think if you have sites that are closely related, it is better to combine them to one site then try to break them into entities.

If you sell widgets, I would think it poor judgement to break the site into blue widgets, green widgets, red widgets, etc.

However, if you sell widgets, and sell wadgets, and also weedgits, all products not related, then your okay.

Just my 2 cents worth.

atlrus

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Msg#: 24493 posted 1:14 pm on Jun 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

You can not get penaltized for same server links.

Leosghost

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Msg#: 24493 posted 2:02 pm on Jun 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

You can not get penaltized for same server links.

What do you have to support this assertion (which BTW I would so love to be true ( I would like to do the same this weekend ) so don't think I'm being difficult here ) ..other than your ..
I have about 100 websites on one account, and 99 of them link to the 100th, and so far everything has been just fine...
..
cos my reaction and I would guess everone elses when they saw this was ...
Wow, how long have those been up?
...
( I actually didn't say "wow" ..but there were no kids around ;) )
I've always considered this to be like walkng a minefield..sooner or later ..BOOOMMMM! ...

I'm ( an I bet I aint alone ) am amazed you didn't go BOOOM! ...long time ago ...?

blaze

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Msg#: 24493 posted 2:14 pm on Jun 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

I don't think you ever lose page rank for having bad sites link to you .. so I don't see what the problem is with the 100 sites.

atlrus

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Msg#: 24493 posted 2:55 pm on Jun 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

I had them for about 4 months. My website is in the top 5 across all SEs.
If I BOOM it's not going to be because of those links :)

And I dont know what else you want me to say - I gave you the most hard-core proof about it.

g1smd

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Msg#: 24493 posted 9:05 pm on Jun 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

Four months isn't long. Not long at all.

I would be surprised if they are still there in another 4 months though.

Leosghost

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Msg#: 24493 posted 11:45 pm on Jun 24, 2004 (gmt 0)

4 months? that means you only underwent "Brandy" in your present config...Whhooo ...you aint lived yet!

I would still love for you to be right ..but ....

( Blaze ..what you smokin? )...
I don't think you ever lose page rank for having bad sites link to you

It isnt the only reason ..but in google at least.. its vitually guarranteed ..when was the last time you personally replied to some of that spam that wants to "link to your site in exchange for traffic!" ..huh?

Why not ..? ..cos you ain't as dumb as you just posted!
and I 'm not searching a fight here but ..you know that you know better! ...and if I knew how to make search here work for me ( constant lament ) ..I'd find your own posts to contradict you with ..I read em ..I liked em ..I agreed with em ...

I would love for altrus to be right ..for him / her ..you ..me lots of folks ..Maybe he /she is ..but I was originally trained for observational sciences ( 'mongst other stuff )..and 4 months "doth not a summer make" ( sorry Will ..fair use? )...and I dont depend on the web for my bread ..but I wont risk even my spammy sites ( and there are those here who know ..lord!.. do I got some spammy looking sites..some not so much ...but ..) ..on 4 months observed data ...survive Hilltop plus Florida at top 5 ...and ok some of us will beleive you may have something ( usually clever cloaking )..and even so I'd be scared by "wiggy backlinks" ...and cross links like that? ..jeez ..look at the "crowned heads of Europe" ..that kind of inbreed ing makes even small dogs double take ..let alone search engines!

Plus Heisenberg ( damn the spellcheckers eyes) ...

people from google read these threads ( if you keep the words short )...so even if .. you were a quarter right..wouldn't last ...

'scuse spelling comme d'ab

brizad

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Msg#: 24493 posted 12:51 am on Jun 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

Leosghost....Cool post, almost like a Dr Seuss rhyme!
--------
I guess my original question is not able to be answered. I know that I could put 500 sites on one server and it would not matter one way or the other to G *if they were not inter-linked*. The question is how many inter-linked sites on one server before G dings them? That is apparently the million dollar question.

blaze

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Msg#: 24493 posted 2:05 am on Jun 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

I'm sure if you link to bad sites, you will lose your PR. But if bad sites link to you, nothing is going to happen.

Otherwise, taking out competitors would be a trivial matter of setting up a few hundered PR0 websites and then just linking those bad boys to your competitors.

Magnum_PI

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Msg#: 24493 posted 8:15 am on Jun 25, 2004 (gmt 0)

I spend a couple hours a day here, I'm sure many of you do too.

My network is large, spammy, clean, informative, useless and everything in between. I have wrenched myself this year over all the SE changes and have been working very hard implementing elements I find posted from users I feel I can trust.

The changes as a whole have been very complicated but the overall direction has appeared through the foggy mist:
Our sites need to have unique content with unique links. Our sites need to be real sites. If we don't do this, the search engines will always eventually nail us.

Only exception would be the ultra spammers that don't mind burning 1,000 domains on short term networks. But I don't think most of us are in that category.

Can I get a witness, or am I missing the boat?

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