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2 Domains same site, both rank
What should be done, 301 redirect?
macker123




msg:177890
 7:28 pm on Jun 20, 2004 (gmt 0)

I have owned this site for over 14 months now and I was never the person that implemented this, but in any case.

I have my main domain and it does fairly pathetic in Google, although a PR 5 with lots of backlinks. I also have a 2nd domain name that is pointing to the site when I purchased it. It seems to be an old linux domain name that I guess the previous owner had and for some reason pointed it to a Hip Hop Jewelry site. In any case, it gets 95% of my Google rankings instead of my main domain. It is just a normal redirect through registerfly, nothing fancy.

Even though I optimize a keyword for a page like domain.com/12345.html it will only show the actual domain, no subpages in google even when someone searches for my keyword and it really should show the full url. It is almost like if I fully optimize the page domain.com/12345.html I will rank extremely well for that keyword but my second domain is what gets indexed(yet forwards to main sites index page), yet I know it is because of my optimizing domain.com/12345.html. I have never advertised this domain name myself, I always advertise my main one only.

Of course, I want my main domain to receive all the rankings, I couldn't care less about this 2nd domain name, but I am scared to just throw a 301 redirect up. I understand 301 redirects pass PR and backlinks, but why mess with a good thing? How could I be sure that if my main domain gets 5% of rankings and my 2nd domain gets 95%, if I throw a 301 redirect will I still be getting 100%?

The domain names never share rankings for the same keyword, so it is almost like Google will rank one of the other. I just want them to rank my main domain only, but still not lose my current rankings.

What should I do in this situation? Should I use 301 redirect to tell the search engines to only rank main domain?

It is of course in my best interest for all of my search engine rankings to be under my main domain as people are a lot more apt to click a domain that says hip-hop-realated-domain.com as opposed to unrealated-linux-domain.com if they are searching for Hip Hop Jewelry.

 

bpresent




msg:177891
 3:54 am on Jun 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi macker - welcome to WebmasterWorld!

Not sure if you're still in here looking for a response? I have a couple of questions. You say
It seems to be an old linux domain name that I guess the previous owner had

1) Do you own domain2?

2) Do you have any control over domain2 (I guess more importantly, how would go about putting a 301 on it?)

3) When you say the redirect is "nothing fancy" do you mean the URL stays constant on the top level domain even as you navigate around domain2?

Perhaps if you email me (sticky mail me) the two domain names I could have a quick look.

cabbie




msg:177892
 4:08 am on Jun 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

I think a 301 redirect from the linux domain to your main one will give you whay you want.
google has connected both sites so will only rank one or the other.
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macker123




msg:177893
 4:12 am on Jun 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

bpresent - can you please sticky me. I don't think mine are getting sent to you.

Thanks

Marcia




msg:177894
 4:22 am on Jun 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

When registrars "point" domain names they're often 302 and that causes a problem.

macker123




msg:177895
 4:27 am on Jun 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

So it really comes down to my 1st question. If I point this domain as a 301 and tell Google it is ranking the wrong site do I stand to lose my good rankings on this linux domain and my semi-decent rankings on my REAL domain? Since I technically have 2 domains poiting to the same content even though they don't really share keywords.

Or will they use the 301 and drop my unrelated linux domain and I will have the same good rankings but on one domain instead of 2?

bpresent




msg:177896
 4:29 am on Jun 29, 2004 (gmt 0)

You seem to be correct Marcia - it's a 302 (in the headers) and it also seems to timeout when I try to get in via a browser.

I'm not sure what you do with this (Marcia). It's not really a domain that we mere virtual mortals have control over (is it?). Do you get the people who do the pointing to change it to a 301? Does that work for all pages?

bpresent




msg:177897
 2:45 am on Jun 30, 2004 (gmt 0)

Hi Macker, regardless of what sort of "pointing" is being employed, if you want to do it by the book, it's probably a good idea to have robots find only one version of your site. Using .htaccess is the way to go, either at the tld or on individual pages (see the Apache forum).

You may want to look at getting incoming links changed too (ask about this in another forum perhaps).

In other words, yes you're right, change the name servers away from the "nothing fancy" hosting to a server you have control over and use a 301. I've had limited experience doing what you suggest but I've never had problems (with G) transferring PR across to the correct domain and from what I've read the same appears to be the case for most apache types.

As an aside, as far as other indexes are concerned, look in other forums (again!) as there's been a bit of talk in Yahoo lately about 301s (and 302s). I (and others) have had slurp coming back to sites for months looking for a 301 that's long gone. The index shows the old URL and the new content (as well as the new URL depending on if they found it through another source). I think they've finally decide to start updating the URLs for 301s just in the last few months (so we can feel comfortable about taking off the 301s and letting them 404 instead).

Enjoy your WebmasterWorld trip :)

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