| 11:33 pm on Jun 8, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I've always been surprised that google rates that well for users of Alexa'a toolbar. The reason that I have mozbar installed is so I can skip the step of going to google before doing my search. If I had the alexa toolbar installed, I most certainly would be using alexa for most of my searches.
| 3:57 am on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Still #3 (US).
| 5:34 am on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I am in US. Houston Texas to be exact. They still have it 3 on the front page but Here [alexa.com] they don't
| 8:48 am on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Actually it does not mean anything. If you look at MSN 76% of that traffic is from hotmail.msn.com and 7% comes from search.msn.com. The 3 month avg for MSN is 215,650 million users and 7% of that is 15,095 users. Google 88% of users go to www.google.com and Google altogether gets 154,050 million users. That is 123,240 search users. Yahoo gets only 5% to search.yahoo.com and 1% to www.yahoo.com and 1% to websearch.yahoo.com. Yahoo's 3 month avg is 284,000 million users. 7% of that is 19,880 users.
Google searches 123,240 78%
Yahoo searches 19,880 12.5%
MSN searches 15,095 9.5%
I think the top 5 of Alexa has some valuable info. If it was close then I would not trust it but it is not close. Anybody that ranks the same on Yahoo or Google know how much traffic comes from each. All things equal Google will always bring more visitors. I have a term that is number one on Yahoo and two on Google for organic and we are number one on both for PPC. Google always brings more visitors by a large margin.
Google is not dying. They are doing better. Yahoo and MSN will beat Google hands down every time for visitors but not searches. I bet Google is not even in the top 10 when it comes to unique visitors or any other stat for that matter when you compare raw stats. I'm sure their server end has some records just because they index so much stuff but I'm just talking visitors, hits, page views.
It was late when I wrote this let me know if I made any errors in my numbers.
| 9:29 pm on Jun 9, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Yes, as far as I have seen - Google has been floating from 3 to 4 recently. (since the yahoo switch).
<note> leave the astro/flames for elsewhere please </note>
| 5:27 am on Jun 10, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Some other sites which are dropping in their Alexa rankings are
dropped from 6-8 down to 15-17
I believe that it is because of the abuse of and theft from their best affiliates that they have enabled recently.
Google's lack of appropriate ranking of technically oriented sites since November may have a bit to do with some of their drop in traffic.
| 10:14 pm on Jun 10, 2004 (gmt 0)|
| 12:26 am on Jun 11, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Let MSN come in with a boom and it will change web search shares a lot I feel......!
| 3:22 am on Jun 12, 2004 (gmt 0)|
MSN is in. Why does eveybody think they will do anything to change things. They are default on most machines at purchase. People skip right over and type in www.google.com. I bet most people keep MSN as their home page and still type in www.google.com every time they search. People don't go to google because it is better they go there because that is what everybody else does. That is what is in the peoples minds. Kraft could decide to make a cola but would never make it into the market because people don't think of cola when they think of Kraft. MSN will never be able to win that mind share. They could have a few years ago but it is too late. Nobody and beat out Coke and Pepsi and nobody can beat out Yahoo and Google that is just how things work. Don't give me the whole "it has been done before on the Internet" It has not. The Internet has never had a critical mass like it does now. 5 years ago very few people knew what the Internet was anybody could have a chance of winning a market. Now 80 year olds know what it is and so do 5 year old. Nobody could beat out Ebay and Amazon for ecommerce now either. MS could never beat Ebay, Amazon, or Google.
| 5:14 am on Jun 12, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I think ogletree has hit it on the head.
My 6 year old grandson came to to me the other day
"can you google shrek 2 on the internet for me please"
not can you search for shrek 2 on the internet
great markerting google
| 8:28 pm on Jun 12, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Hum... we can never guess what will happen in the future. Maybe some years ago noone could say that one day Altavista would "fall".
So, itīs only a matter of who has the best service. If someone powerful (like MS) appears with a SE, we canīt know who will win this fight.
Google has an incredible marketing position, but the same way that Google did it, someone with money and a good service can still do the same.
But arenīt we moving from the topicīs subject :)?
| 2:13 am on Jun 13, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Did you even read my post. Do you really believe that somebody could just jump into the cola market and beat coke and pepsi? If you are going to say I'm wrong at least try to dispute what I said. MS can not win in a market that has wide spread market saturation. They tried to beat out Tivo and lost they tried to beat out Quicken and lost. MS could not beat Google in search any more than they could beat out Ebay for auctions. Yahoo tried real hard and could not even touch Ebay. If you have studied marketing history you would know this.
| 3:13 pm on Jun 13, 2004 (gmt 0)|
IMHO, Google has more threat from the possibility of a spanking new garage engine, with revolutionary way to search than from MS.
| 5:43 pm on Jun 13, 2004 (gmt 0)|
It isn't a matter of "who has the best service". People generally do not switch from something they are perfectly happy with. Before they go for a mass switch from Google, Google will have to do something that will make them unhappy.
Then, and only then, is there likely to be a large migration to a "better" product and that better product needs to be ready and waiting when the king falls off his horse.
Google did not beat AV at its prime. AV made several bad mistakes, and this cool new search engine was ready and waiting at each one of those mistake points.
Google also came online in time to be the king as most new people were coming online. The vast majority of people have never known any other "best" search engine.
The game is Google's to lose. Even then, Google will only lose if there isn't someone else ready to take their place.
And for those that expect that MS just throwing money at it will cause a switch, history proves otherwise. MS has lost far more competitive battles than they have won. They have won some big ones, but they have lost enough that it keeps it from being a sure thing.
| 8:19 pm on Jun 13, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Coke screwed up a while back with new coke. Everybody stoped drinking it. Coke realized that they screwed up brought back coke classic. They went right back up. Once you get a mass loyalty you can stay up as long as you listen to people and pay attention when people leave in droves.
| 8:37 pm on Jun 13, 2004 (gmt 0)|
That's exactly what I was was thinking about when I wrote my last post.
The funny thing about the coke debacle was that their goal was to taste more like pepsi to steal pepsi drinkers. They upset those that liked the original coke flavor. They didn't pick up any pepsi drinkers, because they already had pepsi. And they convinced a lot of people to try pepsi, because it must be good if coke is trying to taste more like pepsi.
And then when coke came back with coke classic, they used all corn syrup instead of sugar. I started having my coke shipped up from mexico where they still used sugar (they switched to corn syrup around 1995), and made a nice little side income in silicon valley selling it to other geeks that wanted "the real thing".
| 9:55 pm on Jun 13, 2004 (gmt 0)|
I never heard that. Now I want to order some.
<trotting over to ebay>
| 10:05 pm on Jun 13, 2004 (gmt 0)|
Those of us who met on "the beach" way back then know what really happened to make Google number one.
Al Gore was not there with us.
Their product was the best of its time and they paid people like me $0.02 per search to carry their search box on our sites.
Once they became wildly popular, they reduced it to $0.01 and then they eliminated the payment altogether.
Many sites simply never took those boxes down.
Overture did the same thing. Their searchbox is no longer paying.
Ask Jeeves did it as well but we all know about their product quality.
Microsoft will find it very easy to make the MSN search box ubiquitous. They have piles of cash sitting around waiting for the wars to start in earnest.