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For outranking and pushing down other pages on Google
AW_Learner




msg:203288
 12:00 am on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

Sorry, this is a non-commercial question and I am new to this Search Engine manipulation thing completely.

Typing in my own name to the search engines - Google especially brings up a few bad pages from like 1998 that I don't want to be showing for my name. Complete with my address and other things. I was new to the web at that time and so was not careful about using my full real name and address everywhere. From emails to forums and other sites and directories. Now days I am much more private. One site is even posting an email I wrote complete with contact information and it comes up number 5 in Google.

I know there is no way I can FORCE these sites to take down there pages (extremely outdated too). But I can push the results of them way down in the Search engines so they are not at the top and on the first page of the results can't I?

What would be the best way to do this? It seems like the easiest way to get listed high is to post things on other sites that are established and have high PR already. Using there forums, listings or whatever kind of sites offer some kind of listing. Could I just write my name and other keywords that these bad pages are coming up on in a ton of sites that I don't mind or would actually like to be associated with? Would that help push the results of the other listings down because they would be newer dates results and therefore more relavent? One thing I don't like about Google is that they do bring up pages a lot that are EXTREMELY dated as the most relevent. I would think that newer listings on a subject would be the most relevent. Not outdated and old.

Are there other good ways to push the other listings down? Not that there are a ton of people searching my name. But people who know me personally might or are searching for me or people I meet who want to see if there is anything online about me. It just bothers me that anyone can put up anything they want about you and get it to the top of searches so easy to find and there isn't anything you can do about it. When I was growing up this kind of private information was not public info so easily. Even if you never spend time online other people will put things online about you. Please help. Thanks!

 

celenoid




msg:203289
 3:04 am on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

I know there is no way I can FORCE these sites to take down there pages

It's certainly worth a try. This might be your best option. If someone wants to search for your private information it won't matter if it's on page two or ten -- if it's there they'll find it.

At any rate, Google displays at maxiumum only two listings per website per result set, so you'll need to maximise the spread of your SERP stuffers.

Are you sure you're not over reacting? How many results appear for the search term? (ie. "Results 1 - 10 of about ****?"). It may not be a popular search at all. The fewer results, the easier it will be to push down the top positions, the fewer people are likely searching for it and the more you should probably not let this worry you so much.

BMach




msg:203290
 3:21 am on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

First off I would like to say that I love the fact that G keeps old data in the results. If a new encyclopedia comes out it doesn't just have the new info it. it has the old plus the new which is a complete listing of all available info. old is not bad as long as it's relevant and G is very good at figuring out what's relevant. What do you have to hide? Just kidding, I'm sure you have a valid reason. I see what you are getting at and honestly an old fashioned spam of your name would do the trick depending on the importance of the old pages that are showing up. I would list some places to get your name out there in a so called important way bit that would break the rules here.

AW_Learner




msg:203291
 5:07 am on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks. There are 21,100 Results in Google for my name. Although only a few of them are relevent and actually are about me. If I put quotes "" around my name only 15 items come up.

It's not that there are people out there searching on my name. Why would strangers do that. It's that people who know me and perhaps are looking for me might google me to see if they can find contact info. Or that anyone I meet can do that etc. It just made me think of it to look today what was there because my husband got an email from his ex-wife who said she found his new email address and site by Googling him. So I typed in my name into google to see what people would see for me. Most of it is fine. It is just these 2 sites that I wish would disappear...

It's certainly worth a try. This might be your best option. If someone wants to search for your private information it won't matter if it's on page two or ten -- if it's there they'll find it.

But how do you force them to take it down? I can ask them to but I don't see how they would have any incentive to. The page is not just about me but I am on it.

Also, what is an old fashion spam of my name? You mean in different forums and guestbooks etc? As I mentioned above?

Thanks!

digitalv




msg:203292
 5:12 am on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

It might be easier just to change your name.

Hollywood




msg:203293
 5:31 am on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

AW-Learner sticky me, we have worked with well known corporate & public companies in this situation, our tests and attempts have worked well pushing down bad news or unwanted materials. I think we can help you if you need some of our exp.

Hollywood

AW_Learner




msg:203294
 5:32 am on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

It might be easier just to change your name.

Really? You don't think it would be that easy to spam these out of there? There are only a couple I don't like. They are not that bad or anything but I don't them being out there.

I do plan on changing my name officially to my married name. But still anyone searching on my maiden name or who knows me from the past and only knows my maiden name would search on that one.

IITian




msg:203295
 4:38 pm on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

>Google especially brings up a few bad pages from like 1998 that I don't want to be showing for my name.

Most people looking up for you are going to click the first result in the serps if it has your name in the title. The way you describe, your name is non-competitive and it should be very easy to come up #1 and #2 in the serps. A technique that will cost you about 30-40 dollars a year will be to buy a domain name www.firstnamelastname.com and get a cheap host for that and have the home page optimized for your name and few other keywords you are likely to be searched for. Try to get a few links, just 1 might do the trick.

Or you could get a free page from one of those services and optimize that for your name - costing 0 dollars a year.

Unless you have done something illegal or have really hurt someone, I think there is nothing much to worry about.

Bridge




msg:203296
 5:15 pm on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

What would be the best way to do this? It seems like the easiest way to get listed high is to post things on other sites that are established and have high PR already. Using there forums, listings or whatever kind of sites offer some kind of listing.

Yes that should do the trick, providing the site you post on is also within the niche of the content you want to lower.

I have seen this happen by adding employees profiles to one of my sites, only to see their new profiles topping G. Their new profiles (on my site) contain useful info about what they do for me, and also contain some relevant external links.

You might also want to secure your own name in a domain and swamp that with useful information about you with external links to your niche.

Hope that helps.

digitalv




msg:203297
 6:16 pm on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

Really? You don't think it would be that easy to spam these out of there? There are only a couple I don't like. They are not that bad or anything but I don't them being out there.

You might be able to get them out of the top results, but you'll never get them out of Google. But if you're caught trying to manipulate the search engine YOU might get banned, which would bring them right back to the top.

If someone entered your name with the intention of looking you up they wouldn't just look at the first 5 or 10 results, they would look at all of the results on all pages. At least I know that's what I do if I ever try to look someone up by name.

johannamck




msg:203298
 6:31 pm on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

A lot depends on how strong those top-ranking pages are. If they have good PR and are on popular domains it will be very hard to outrank them with new material.

You could try to search the web for "member profile" and find public forums where the member profile pages are included in Google, and rank highly. Open a member account for each and enter a fictitious addresses in each profile.

If someone searches for your name and happens upon entry after entry of your name at "Santa Claus Lane, North Pole, ZZ 12345" and "Anonymity Street, Privatetown" and maybe some less obvious fake addresses (in states you've actually lived in), maybe they'll give up because it will be hard to identify the correct info.

AW_Learner




msg:203299
 9:58 pm on Jun 3, 2004 (gmt 0)

Thanks for all the replies and help! I'll try all of those suggestions.

If I was looking for someone I would not look past the first few pages if I was just trying to find there contact info. Especially if the results started getting less and less relevent. Which mine does. Halfway down the first page all the listings start going into German language pages with my name. I guess someone in Germany has my same first and last. I have a very unique first name but I guess it's not as unique as I thought. If I can just push those other ones down below the German ones related to someone else with my name. The only reason I would look at all the results for someone is if I was trying to research or investigate them. Which no one has any reason to do with me.

I don't think Google would punish me for manipulating the results because what shows any difference wheather the changes were on purpose for that result or not on "purpose". The techniques would be the same in both instances. They can't guess your motive or if you tried to do it or not...

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