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Would google consider this spam?
96 incoming links from 1 site

 1:44 am on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

I can find about 130 pages linking to me by searching for my site's title. 96 of those are from the footer of a PHPNuke site, all with the same anchor text. Could google considered this spam? I've removed the links for now, but I'm still curious.

My entire site got dropped mid-May. PR0 on the toolbar. It had been in the listings since February. The fresh bot would come to my site almost daily, I haven't seen it since May 11th.

I've gone through the dropped site checklist, and I'm looking at incoming links as the cause now; this is my biggest source of incoming links. I've read here that google will penalize sites for this kind of thing, but I get the idea it takes 1000s of links, less then 100 shouldn't be a problem, and I don't have any links back to this site so it isn't a network.



 4:45 am on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Not unless there's something else you're not telling us about, such as the links are tiny and almost invisible to users.

I doubt very much this is an issue - and so long as it isn't completely unrelated, it should be fine.

If there were a penalty for this, the Yahoo! would be banned, because they have lots of sub-domains (which are considered different sites), yet each of those would link to www.yahoo.com


 7:43 am on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

If all those links are from the same ip I think Google treats them as one, although they will improve your pr.

We had a site that achieved pr6 from hundreds of links from one other site. Despite this, the site never ranked well. This suggests to me that the toolbar pr is only part of the pr equation. You need a variety of links in from different ip's to benefit from a high pr showing on the toolbar.

I keep thinking about something ogletree wrote in another thread, where he (from memory) says good and many links in will give the site tremendous stability against algo changes. I think this is the key. No one linking to you can effect your rankings in a negative way, you just need more people to link to you from different sites, whatever their pr is.

Having said the above, I would be uncomfortable about too many links in with the same anchor text if it is a keyword phrase you are targeting. That could be 'unnatural' and have an effect.


 3:14 pm on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

"such as the links are tiny and almost invisible to users."

Nope, it's clean. I'll keep investigating.


 3:35 pm on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

I agree with MHes.
I would be very worried indeed to have one site with so many incoming links to yours, especially with the same anchor text.
Because this type of arrangement is one which certain seo's have used in the past, I'm as sure as make no odds that Google will have in place a way of smoking out these unnatural linkages and penalising or demoting the recipient.


 3:51 pm on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

I doubt that Google actually penalises or reduces your position based on the fact that your have a lot of links coming from one place.

The reason being you are not in control of who links to you. Also, an advert with your link in it would have the same effect (in terms of incoming links) and that is a legitimate method of advertising, nothing wrong with that at all.

Perhaps google would prevent PageRank being passed from any such links if it was made aware, or perhaps if Google suspects that site linking to you had been paid for these links soley for the purpose of increasing PageRank.


 6:40 pm on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

I wouldn't worry about it. I see top seo's for major terms with thousands of links from the same site to thier affiliate sites and they do very well.


 9:08 pm on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Is the anchor text in this case a targeted keyword?

Credits in the footer of the page are quite common and legitimate. There are two at the bottom of every WW page, one for webhost and one for Best BBS. But the accepted practice is to use anchor text that is the name of what you are linking to, not to push your keywords.


 9:28 pm on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

Anchor text was something like "PHPNuke Setup by [my site's title]", so a bit of keyword and subject.

It sounds reasonable that I wouldn't get kicked for this, because other sites in the same situation don't have the ability to remove the links like mike said. I'll keep on searching. Thanks folks!


 10:20 pm on May 27, 2004 (gmt 0)

"I wouldn't worry about it"

Particularly for 91 links. This is beyond trivial.

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